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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    Personally,,,I'd of "Preferred" to never have entered the fray. "So Damm Insane" was doing a fine job of killing off his own people. And,,, slaughtering everyone around him, all without our help.

    Well, except for those 12 years we ensured his existence for "stability."

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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Well, except for those 12 years we ensured his existence for "stability."
    History is full of "Compromises"... What's the lesser of two evils at that point in time? Iran, or Iraq?

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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Backbone has nothing to do with it. It's easy to stand up to the machine that plays by moral rules. It's like criticizing Superman. What's brave about knowing that he won't snap your neck for it.
    When both sides have guns, it's not knowledge that they won't shoot back, it's faith....so yeah, it's backbone.

    Regardless of whether US soldiers play by the rules or not, when Iraqi commanders take a stance like this one with US forces, one message that definitely is getting put out is that they are the ones in charge.

    Which is exactly a message we want them to be sending. It may not last, it may be more heat than light, but it is the sort of message they need to be sending. The Iraqi military will have all the credibility they persuade the Iraqi people to give them. Standing up to the US forces is part of that process of persuasion.

    It's a positive step. Not the whole journey, not crossing the finish line, but definitely a step towards it.

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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    I didn't notice that the link isn't there, here it is at the Washington Post

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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    History is full of "Compromises"... What's the lesser of two evils at that point in time? Iran, or Iraq?
    I simply don't understand this fear people have over Iran. They are as much a threat as anybody else in that region. But we weren't obligated to deal with Iran like we were with Iraq after 12 years. If Iran is the grand threat people want it to be...at least now we can launch from both borders.

    Iran will become a threat the minute they get nuclear capabilities. Before this, they are a mere pain in the ass.

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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    I simply don't understand this fear people have over Iran. They are as much a threat as anybody else in that region. But we weren't obligated to deal with Iran like we were with Iraq after 12 years. If Iran is the grand threat people want it to be...at least now we can launch from both borders.

    Iran will become a threat the minute they get nuclear capabilities. Before this, they are a mere pain in the ass.
    It's best to deal with your avowed Enemy "BEFORE" they can hurt you.

    Think about it Sarge.

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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    When both sides have guns, it's not knowledge that they won't shoot back, it's faith....so yeah, it's backbone.

    Regardless of whether US soldiers play by the rules or not, when Iraqi commanders take a stance like this one with US forces, one message that definitely is getting put out is that they are the ones in charge.

    Which is exactly a message we want them to be sending. It may not last, it may be more heat than light, but it is the sort of message they need to be sending. The Iraqi military will have all the credibility they persuade the Iraqi people to give them. Standing up to the US forces is part of that process of persuasion.

    It's a positive step. Not the whole journey, not crossing the finish line, but definitely a step towards it.
    An Iraqis standing up to Saddam Hussein has a backbone. An Iraqis standing up to an American military that freed him, gave him a uniform, trained him, and equipped him, is merely comfortable.

    Our role in Iraq is finished. It's been finished. Our lingering about is wasted time and resources. They have already been set up for success politically and militarily. They have been provided every opportunity to come together as a people. The time for them to show "backbone" is when we leave and their enemies challenge them - foriegn or domestic.

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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    It's wrong to use our Military as "Police". When I served, I was taught to kill the Enemy. Not to play "Nurse-Maid" to a Culture that continually kills each other over a primitive god.

    Bring our People Home. And let it be known that any future attacks against us WILL be the death knell of those that attacked us.
    Do you even know who their primitive god is?

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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    It's best to deal with your avowed Enemy "BEFORE" they can hurt you.

    Think about it Sarge.
    I have thought about it. The notion that Hussein kept Iran in check anytime after the Cold War ended is ludicrous. Iran was never even the aggressor. Iraq was. And in 1990, Iraq was again the aggressor. And in 2002, Hussein flew military jets over Jordanian and Saudi airspace.

    The thorn that kept us cuffed to the Middle East was Saddam Hussein....not Iran.

    You want to see America deal with Iran properly? It should bomb the crap out of every single military base and "nuclear" site it's aware of. Sending in troops is simply not do-able. And we are running out of time on the improbably notion that Iranians will coup against their religious masters in government.
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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Do you even know who their primitive god is?
    The same dude that "made" a woman from a man's rib? Or the same dude that would send the Jew, Moses.....later send the Christian, Jesus.....and then later still send the Muslim, Muhammed so that Islam could declare Jewish and Christian holy sites as holy to them too?

    "Primitive."

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