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    Re: Bush-Era Debate: Using G.I.ís in U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    They were also American citizens...by birth. But I guess in the war to defend our "Freedoms" we just throw "Freedoms" out the door? No, the F.B.I. can easily make a case, plain and simple. The reason we have a constitution and body of laws is so people can not just pick and chose which they like, and which they do not.
    Are you taking issue with the entire concept of enemy combatants, with the idea that citizens can be enemy combatants, or with the idea that citizens located on US soil can be considered enemy combatants?

    And where was this suppose to end? With the detention of the whole Democratic party? I am sure you would just love that, do away with those nasty liberals so you can have a true demo...err one party rule. At the very least of it, this begs for massive abuse. Maybe you are not familiar with old tricky Dick Nixon using the F.B.I as his own personal vendetta machine, breaking in to the homes and offices of his political and personal enemies, bugging their homes.

    The fact is simple, rest is debatable, Cheney and Addington wanted to circumvent the law to have their own police, for we all know the military answers directly to the White House only. F.B.I., ATF, Justice, etc..are independent bodies that can refuse a direct order, the military can not. The thought that they would even deem it wise to "test" the constitution is repugnant. They sword an oath to protect the constitution, they serve that institution, not the other way around. If Cheney and co. really wanted to keep us safe, maybe they should have listened to their own chief counter-terrorism adviser Richard Clarke, or maybe when the NSC briefs them that Bin Laden plans on hijacking planes to fly them into buildings.
    This sounds absolutely hysterical.
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    Re: Bush-Era Debate: Using G.I.ís in U.S.

    Hey Sam,

    Just a quick one for you but all the Agencys you listed all have to take orders from the White House just thought you might like to know that.

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    Re: Bush-Era Debate: Using G.I.ís in U.S.

    So is Sam W trying to say he's giving George Bush credit for making a decision he agrees with?
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    Re: Bush-Era Debate: Using G.I.’s in U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
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    The Constitution says not one word about using Federal troops to enforce domestic law.

    The US Army was the intrument used to put down the draft riots in New York City in 1863.

    The Posse Comitatus Act is the law that prohibits the use of federal troops to enforce domestic law.

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    Re: Bush-Era Debate: Using G.I.’s in U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Good lord, you really honestly want to try and argue that they needed the military to arrest a whole 6 people? You want to attempt to explain why the FBI, or any law enforcement for that matter could not be used to legally detain suspects? There is one reason, and only one reason why you would use the military; because it is under the direct command of the President. I guess you don't know your history of Nixon and his enemies list.
    In the late 1990's a gang of thugs wearing military body armor and using military grade weapons robbed a bank in Los Angeles and the LAPD's available firepower was bare sufficient to kill these thugs.

    If a band of terrorists in the middle of a urban area were possessed of military grade weapons the urban cops would face similar difficulties in arresting them.

    However, the Army would have no problem at all.

    And the army's military police are trained to conduct arrests.

    On a limited basis in exigent circumtances I can see the validity of certain arguments in favor of using the military to enforce certain national-security related laws.

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    Re: Bush-Era Debate: Using G.I.ís in U.S.

    Oh and Sam,

    Do you recall this little incedent in SD, well one of the option at the time was to have a Marine Unit from NAS North Island cal lout to stop him as a matter off act they were in the Air heading out to try to stop this madman when he ran it up on the center divine. But I guess you would have cried foul if the Marine's actually were used correct.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TozUUnsHLg"]YouTube - Military Vet Steals Tank - Goes on Rampage[/ame]

    Oh and one other item don't forget right after 9/11 Military Units patrolled Airports/Docks and Tunnels for quite a long time.

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    Re: Report: Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by rudedog View Post
    Wasn't it also General Patton, who was used to run the WW1 vets of the White House lawn ,who were camping out there trying to get benefits that were promised to them.
    Actually he and Eisenhower were both Majors at the time of the Bonus Marches. It was Hoover that ordered the Marchers removed but as usual General MacArthur over stepped his authority and set fire to the camps.

    So I guess the answer to your accusation is....no.

    Oh, yes, one could also say this was a violation of the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act......or maybe not.
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    Re: Report: Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by rudedog View Post
    Wasn't it also General Patton, who was used to run the WW1 vets of the White House lawn ,who were camping out there trying to get benefits that were promised to them.
    Upon orders from his chain of command: Eisenhower and McArthur. They weren't camped on the White House lawn.
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    Re: Report: Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by rudedog View Post
    Wasn't it also General Patton, who was used to run the WW1 vets of the White House lawn ,who were camping out there trying to get benefits that were promised to them.

    Hey here is a little suggest you might want to check you fact before posting something.

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    Re: Report: Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post

    Oh, yes, one could also say this was a violation of the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act......or maybe not.
    Nope the District falls under Federal Control and is not subject to the Posse Comitatus Act.

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