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    Re: Report: Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo

    Debate, discussion and contingency planing of ALL options ought to be the rule in government. The Constitution and good judgment ought be the only guidelines. So debate away in a "no holds barred" atmosphere. Then judge our leaders on what is decided vice on what is disused.

    The safety and the very lives of America and Americans is a serious business and not ought to be conducted under the stupidity of what is the current PC thing to say or do.
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    Re: Report: Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    There are certain things that you're wary about mere consideration of. The usage of disproportionate military force in a domestic civilian setting in a manner that would likely be blatantly unconstitutional is one of them. It seems relatively mild compared to the false-flag operation that involved the violent destruction of American targets that was to be used to warrant attack on Cuba that was planned under the Kennedy administration (and ultimately vetoed by him, just as this was vetoed by Bush), but I'm certain that there were several other similar operations considered and partially planned, which is still unfortunately illustrative of the neoconservative mindset. It's not an exaggeration that quite a few U.S. heads of state either oversaw the commission of war crimes or considered their implementation.
    The Army was at Waco in 1993. Was that "neo-conservatives"?
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    Re: Bush-Era Debate: Using G.I.’s in U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Ah I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

    Conservatives... the defenders of the "purity" of the US constitution when it comes to guns and abortion and state rights, but when it comes to defending their prophet, then screw the law!
    Oh? Who's "defending" anything unconstitutional here? Point it out. Specifically.
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    Re: Bush-Era Debate: Using G.I.’s in U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Ah I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

    Conservatives... the defenders of the "purity" of the US constitution when it comes to guns and abortion and state rights, but when it comes to defending their prophet, then screw the law!
    Where'd that come from? There's not a single post on this thread condoning, proposing, suggesting, nor hinting that the United States military should be used to arrest American citizens.

    Obviously, the OP was another case of BDS, but only managed to put a feather in Bush's cap. They thought it up, they debated it, they decided against it. And, the problem is?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Report: Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The Army was at Waco in 1993. Was that "neo-conservatives"?

    I guess you could ask Ms Janet Reno (if you could find her).

    What ever it was or wasn't the one thing you can say about that entire operation was FUBAR!
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    Re: Report: Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The Army was at Waco in 1993. Was that "neo-conservatives"?
    The Army wasn't at Waco. National Gaurd fighting vehicles, driven by US Marshals were used at Waco.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Report: Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    In this case, however, Bush did the right thing in rejecting it.

    Criticizing him for considering it is kind of silly. President's consider many things that are off the wall at times. Putting it into action would have deserved criticism.

    If anything Bush deserves praise in this instance for rejecting it.
    Yes and no. Bush deserves praise for rejecting this, Cheney deserves scorn for arguing for this. I have absolutely no doubt who the source for this article was; Bush's former aides. There does seem to be a pattern emerging through Bush's aides that there was a tug of war between Cheney who wanted to go full out Darth Vader, and Bush. This appears to be an ongoing war between the two camps, even though many claim they are still friends. But that itself is deceiving as they never were "friends" to begin with, just colleagues. A good article on this was in Time:

    Inside Bush and Cheney's Final Days
    Former Bush aides say Cheney's behavior needlessly stoked anti-Bush sentiment, which had only just begun to subside in voters. For Cheney, however, the ongoing battles are an extension of the fight he waged for several years on behalf of Libby. Cheney, says an ally, believes that the true legacy of the Bush years is the uncompromising way he and the President waged the war on terrorism. But Cheney also believes that Bush cannot claim that as a legacy if he fails to protect the aides and officials who carried out the dirty work.
    This goes back to that much talked about "debate" when both Obama and Cheney gave speeches on national security at the same time. Everyone in the media tried to whip up this non-debate, when at least a few bright minds pointed out quite clearly this was a debate between Cheney and Bush 2006+. Considering everything we know to date, and I have no doubt more will be coming, that had Cheney never been Vice President, Bush may have left office in a much better light.

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    Re: Report: Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Yes and no. Bush deserves praise for rejecting this, Cheney deserves scorn for arguing for this. I have absolutely no doubt who the source for this article was; Bush's former aides. There does seem to be a pattern emerging through Bush's aides that there was a tug of war between Cheney who wanted to go full out Darth Vader, and Bush. This appears to be an ongoing war between the two camps, even though many claim they are still friends. But that itself is deceiving as they never were "friends" to begin with, just colleagues.
    Who would want an administration filled with people who all think alike? Like George Patton said, "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking".
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Report: Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who would want an administration filled with people who all think alike? Like George Patton said, "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking".

    Well said General Patton.
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    Re: Report: Bush mulled sending troops into Buffalo

    Wasn't it also General Patton, who was used to run the WW1 vets of the White House lawn ,who were camping out there trying to get benefits that were promised to them.

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