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    Re: Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    FIrst of all, I am addressing the general statement that people can yell all they want if they are on their own property.

    I posted the Massachusetts law yesterday. It's written very archaicly. You can keep saying the arrest was wrong. I'll feel differently. You use the mayor as your rationale for saying it was wrong. I'll use the Cambridge Police Commissioner (who likely knows a teeny tiny bit more about the law than the mayor) for my position.
    I'll go with the fact that they didn't pursue the case - which likely came from the people that actually know how to apply the law - the DA's office.

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    Re: Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Irony. This article does not help. When you point out that a black man agrees with white man cop, all you are doing is playing the same race card our president did and this professor did.
    Bingo.

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    Re: Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I'll go with the fact that they didn't pursue the case - which likely came from the people that actually know how to apply the law - the DA's office.
    Okay. I was caught speeding and they dropped the charges since I had a perfect driving record otherwise. So I guess I didn't break the law, did I?

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    Re: Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Okay. I was caught speeding and they dropped the charges since I had a perfect driving record otherwise. So I guess I didn't break the law, did I?
    so you were arrested for speeding? How long were you detained?


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    Re: Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    It can be.
    I think the fact it is called a "catch all" law says it all. It gives police the power to arrest on whim. The fact that the charges were dropped show that they had no legs to stand on. Gates was pissed, first of all that he locked his keys in his house and could not get in, thenhe was asked to show proof of living there. I would be happy that the police actually came to check on my house and after showing I.D. would have said thanks to the officer and let him go. Is Gates an idiot for ranting, yes. But the arrest was still BS.

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    Re: Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Excuse me? Did you read the police report? The facts you present are WRONG. Thank you, and have a nice day.
    Yep, I did. The officer stated that after presented with Gates' ID, he felt he was dealing with a "homeowner, albeit a disruptive/non co-operative one", or words to that effect. I'll find the report and get the exact wording, if you like.

    So no, thanks.
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    Re: Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The whole matter was regrettable. Don't think anyone really argues that. Gates may be a race-baiting blowhard, but I haven't seen anyone arguing he's a scuzz-bucket criminal lowlife, either. Getting arrested for going full retard on a cop means little more than Gates had a bad day. I can't count the number of times I've had to bail friends out of jail because they've had similarly bad days, and I've never thought less of them because of it.

    People get angry, then they get stupid, then they get embarrassed. It happens--this is only a big deal because Gates decided to make it a big deal, and then Dear Leader decided to one-up his buddy and make it a nationwide deal.

    Gates and Dear Leader == Dumb and Dumber.
    I agree, in part. I'm not going to come out and say I believe the officer actions were racially motivated; it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility, but I don't feel qualified to say it was, so I'm not going to.

    I very much agree that while the officer in question behaved poorly, Gates also could have behaved better. Arguing with the police isn't the safest of activities to engage it. When you consider that the police shoot and tazer a hell of a lot more black men than white, then it certainly wasn't the wisest choice on Gates' part. There was nothing to stop him co-operating with the officer, regardless of his opinion on his behaviour, and then ldging a formal complaint afterwards if he felt the need. But yeah, neither Gates nor the officer in question come out of this in a very good light.
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    Re: Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I think the fact it is called a "catch all" law says it all. It gives police the power to arrest on whim. The fact that the charges were dropped show that they had no legs to stand on.
    It shows that cops and the DA have better things to worry about than piss-ant professors.

    Gates disturbed the peace. He got himself a four-hour time out at the police station to ruminate on the relative wisdom of calling cops racist in public.

    The cops asked the DA to enter nolle prosequi in the case--like they do in a number of disturbing the peace cases--because once everyone calms down, there's no compelling need to haul his ass before a judge.

    It's not a BS arrest. It would be a BS prosecution if the DA pursued it, but that doesn't make it a BS arrest.

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    Re: Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    But yeah, neither Gates nor the officer in question come out of this in a very good light.
    Sergeant Crowley doesn't come off looking bad at all, in my book....and that's saying something because cops and I generally do not get along.

    He investigated a report of a break-in, Gates went full retard because he saw a white cop standing on his porch (never mind that the reason he was there was because a white neighbor saw what looked like a someone breaking into Gates' home and called the cops about it--doing basically what good neighbors are supposed to do, which is look out for each other), and when Gates wouldn't put his mouth in neutral, Crowley did the next best thing and put it in park.

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    Re: Black officer at scholar's home supports arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    It shows that cops and the DA have better things to worry about than piss-ant professors.

    Gates disturbed the peace. He got himself a four-hour time out at the police station to ruminate on the relative wisdom of calling cops racist in public.

    The cops asked the DA to enter nolle prosequi in the case--like they do in a number of disturbing the peace cases--because once everyone calms down, there's no compelling need to haul his ass before a judge.

    It's not a BS arrest. It would be a BS prosecution if the DA pursued it, but that doesn't make it a BS arrest.
    Gates did not disturb the peace, if they felt he did, then make a charge stick.

    Otherwise he is innocent of any such accusation.

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