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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Identify the unsoundness of my logic
    I told you: bad analogy. Catz told you: bad analogy.

    First, comparing the judgment of an 8 year old to that of a teenager doesn't wash. Even before factoring in the enormous changes in cognitive thinking that take place after age 8, the levels of experience are so dramatically different as to render comparisons worthless. Simply put, 8 year olds are not teenagers.

    Second, comparing a teenager committing a criminal act (attempting to buy heroin is illegal) to an 8 year old minding her own business is also meaningless. The teenager is going out of his way to put himself in harm's way--committing crimes is dangerous. The 8 year old girl was not seeking out a dangerous situation.

    Finally, we come to those cognitive differences. An 8 year old wouldn't recognize the danger of an oncoming car until it smacks her; a teenager generally would. Abstract reasoning pretty much doesn't exist in an 8 year old--that's why rules for kids that young about "no talking to strangers" generally fail: they are cognitively unable to understand the term "stranger".

    Any one of these defects alone renders your logic fatally flawed. That you cling to it in the face of decided and deserved condemnation is morally suspect.

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    You are in no position to challenge my morality.
    That's because to challenge it I'd have to find it (and I seem to have misplaced my magnifying glass).

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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    That's because to challenge it I'd have to find it (and I seem to have misplaced my magnifying glass).
    Or it's because "morals" are entirely subjective...
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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I told you: bad analogy. Catz told you: bad analogy.

    First, comparing the judgment of an 8 year old to that of a teenager doesn't wash. Even before factoring in the enormous changes in cognitive thinking that take place after age 8, the levels of experience are so dramatically different as to render comparisons worthless. Simply put, 8 year olds are not teenagers.
    You know my example was in context to the actions, not the motivating agents thoughts behind them. It makes not one shred of difference whether the they are 8 or 80, the fact that this little girl was allowed to, and did go with those boys allowed the situation to take place.

    Second, comparing a teenager committing a criminal act (attempting to buy heroin is illegal) to an 8 year old minding her own business is also meaningless. The teenager is going out of his way to put himself in harm's way--committing crimes is dangerous. The 8 year old girl was not seeking out a dangerous situation.
    You are making quite a bit of assumptions, the first is the perception of the teenager. Who know's maybe they have been there many times before, and feel they would be safe, that they "know the dealers". Regardless, that is not my point... at... all. It is (and in my example i was considering the person to be a female teenager but whatever) all about the sheer act of "going". No presence, no murder. Get it? Got it? Good... I hope

    Finally, we come to those cognitive differences. An 8 year old wouldn't recognize the danger of an oncoming car until it smacks her; a teenager generally would. Abstract reasoning pretty much doesn't exist in an 8 year old--that's why rules for kids that young about "no talking to strangers" generally fail: they are cognitively unable to understand the term "stranger".
    I say you are grasping at straws in bold. Regardless, the best way to avoid getting hit by a car is not to be there. For 4 weeks, i watched my little nephew, who was 8 years old; and the very first thing i did when we went anywhere, every time, was tell him not to talk to anyone if we happened to get separated. I informed him of every scenario, and then proceeded to scare the lights out of him using hypothetical stories. Not one time did he leave my side, and asked every time to go play with other children, where he was in constant view. And this is throughout southern California, with days at Disney, California adventure, Universal, Venice Beach, Long Beach, Hunnington, and even Tijuana. So take your bull**** somewhere else.

    Any one of these defects alone renders your logic fatally flawed. That you cling to it in the face of decided and deserved condemnation is morally suspect.
    If i was attempting to blame the little girl, you would have quite the point. But i was not, no matter if you are convinced or not. It was about her sheer presence.

    That's because to challenge it I'd have to find it (and I seem to have misplaced my magnifying glass).
    Well when you find it, proceed to locating your.... needle.... err... personality.... Anyone of accusing me of "shifting blame" most likely has issues in real life social situations. Your attempt to build straw men has been called. I even referred to her as the "dependent variable", so people would know i was using the act as a premise. Her mentality has very little to do with it.
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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    That is just so wrong. WTH is wrong with the parents? I think they need to look into this girls homelife cause it cannot be good with crappy parents like that

    Edit. I can see why they are looking into the cultural thing because as the article says the adults in the family are still in the mindframe of where they came from.

    Also in parts of West Africa? They think nothing of clitorial mutilation and think girls should get no pleasure at all from sex.
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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    Why the Hell are we letting sub-humans like this into the Country?

    Femi Babarinde, an African Studies professor from the Thunderbird School of Global Management, said it is normal to feel shame because of a rape in the family in the Liberian culture.

    "When you look at the shame culture in African societies it basically means something negative happened and it affects not only that individual [the victim] but the family and extended family," said Babarinde. "They may be reacting to the attention that this will get and the knowledge of this within the community that could be a source of embarrassment."




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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Where do these ****ing savages get the idea that the girl child is at fault for getting gang raped and why, why is police department:




    Really? What purpose would learning this help in explaining savagry?


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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Police need to be exploring ways to charge the parents (including those of the victim) with abuse and neglect. The four boys are to blame, and the parents are to blame for letting the boys think that this was an ok way to behave.
    A 14 year old raped an 8 year old, what kind of a freaking fruit little bastard is this? He should have to wear a sign in public that says, "I'm a rapist".
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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I think calling them subhuman is very unfair. You know only what culture you are raised in unless you are exposed to other things.
    I think I was being generous in my description. Most wild animals will "defend their young"...These "creatures" sure don't.

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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    Liberia only outlawed rape 3 years ago. Even now, they only have a single rape clinic (kind of sick they would need one when you think about it), some of these females have to travel very long distances to go to the rape clinic so evidence will be properly handled. Even then the chances of the rapist being held responsible for their crime is slim to none.

    On the other hand...the chance of the female (I will not say woman here because many of the rape victims are children like the one some are trying to pretend brought this gang rape upon herself) being held responsible for being raped are extremely high.

    When I read these articles about the little girl being kidnapped and raped by these pigs I did a little research about rape in Liberia...how it is viewed culturally in that part of the world. What I read is very disturbing.

    Here's a link to one article for reference...

    IRIN Africa | West Africa | Liberia | LIBERIA: Rape in Liberia still goes unpunished | Gender Issues Human Rights | Feature

    The father's "response" to the rape is reprehensible. Something I note that is missing is a single word from the mother. This child will be put in danger if she is returned to the two idiots she calls Mom and Dad.

    What I find stunning is that people such as these come to America as refugees for a better life and as a nation, we open our arms to them. But they just can't seem to muster the intelligence it takes to leave the garbage behind them...instead they insist on bringing it right along with them expecting us to accept it as a "cultural" norm. It they wanted to enjoy the culture and all the trash that goes with it...why in the hell did they come here as refugees anyway?

    Lock the pigs that raped this child (yeah, she is a child and is NOT responsible for the rape) up for years and years and years to come. Let them be educated about our prison systems and just how much we loathe child rapist....it's a cultural thing you know.

    After that are released from prison deport their sorry asses right back to the country from which they fled.

    Oh and the waste of skin this child calls Mom and Dad? Relieve them of custody of that child. They have proved they are too stupid to take care of her and since they are so concerned about the culture of the hellhole they left behind...I say we give them a one way ticket back to the hellhole.

    We do not need them to impose the low standards of their "culture" on the good people of this country.

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