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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Are you just upset because i did not post based on my emotional outrage of this incident? From the get go, my stance in this discussion was in clear view.
    You drew an analogy between an 8 year old being lured off the street to be gang raped and a teen-ager getting his fool head blown off while trolling the slums looking to score some heroin.

    Not only is it a bad argument because it imputes moral responsibility to an 8 year old for being the victim of a sexual assault, not only is it a bad argument because it justifies her father's reprehensible response, it is a bad argument because it is a bad analogy.

    And now you power whine because people say your reasoning and your analogy suck?

    Satan is supposed to be better at debate than that.

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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

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    If the family is from Liberia, one shouldn't automatically assume they are Muslim. Only 20 percent of Liberia's populaton is Muslim. Most are either Christian, various indigenous religions or combinations thereof.


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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I wonder how much backlash this story is really going to have. Because, honestly in the end, Americans are just going to think that father to be (and correctly so) a savage. What sort of man could look his daughter in the face after something like that and even think about saying "it's your fault, you've brought us shame"? A father should be doing all he can to not run out and kill all those little bastards who hurt his little girl. And that's sorta the American mentality on it, this being so radically different than how we could consider responding I wouldn't be surprised if this negatively impacted the views Americans have on these refugees.
    That's why I said we shouldn't be allowing Immigration for certain Cultures. Specially the Middle East, and Africa.

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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    You drew an analogy between an 8 year old being lured off the street to be gang raped and a teen-ager getting his fool head blown off while trolling the slums looking to score some heroin.

    Not only is it a bad argument because it imputes moral responsibility to an 8 year old for being the victim of a sexual assault, not only is it a bad argument because it justifies her father's reprehensible response, it is a bad argument because it is a bad analogy.

    And now you power whine because people say your reasoning and your analogy suck?
    I used the analogy to represent consequences of actions, not to relate them. Also, i was very careful in asserting that i was playing devils advocate, and was not trying to justify what the boys or the father said/did.

    BTW, how was i power whining? Catz made comments about my moral character knowing full well the circumstances surrounding my initial response to the OP; meaning she must have skipped over that part.

    Satan is supposed to be better at debate than that.
    While i am not surprised people become deeply emotional when discussing this sort of thing, i am surprised that a few begrudged me for "playing devils advocate".

    Do tell, how would you have gone about it, or would you have done (play DA) it at all?
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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Agreed.

    One of my coworkers used to work at a maximum-security prison in west Pennsylvania and told me stories about what the other inmates used to do to cons who were in for child molestation and the like. Imagine the worst sorts of things that could happen to a person's anus and multiply that by a thousand. It will be hard time, in every sense of the word, and good enough for 'em.
    If I were the guard I'd go a further step, blast some Barry White and Al Green, etc. and go play poker with the rest of my colleagues while that happened to the freak, then come back later and play dumb. Probably a good thing I'm not in prison security.
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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    Absolutely sickening.

    Earlier this week, the girl's father told ABC15 he loved his daughter and planned to get her back.
    That ***wipe has a funny way of showing his daughter how much he loves her.

    "I need her back, I want her back, and they (Child Protective Services) said I can have her back in three months," he said.
    If CPS allows that little girl to go back to her parents, they should be prosecuted for child endangerment and held responsible for whatever happens to her. What do you want to bet that the next time we hear of that poor girl, it will be reports of her "honor killing" by her Father?

    When asked what he wants to happen to the suspects involved in the assault against his daughter, he answered, "nothing."
    As far as I'm concerned, this is clear evidence that this so-called "man" will never act in his daughter's best interest. That little girl deserves better than him.



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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    Quote Originally Posted by Slithering Rainbow View Post
    It doesn't matter what she did. Nothing anyone does ever IMO makes sexual assult or abuse okay. Period.
    Just to clarify, I do not think anyone claimed sexual assault or abuse was okay.
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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    BTW, how was i power whining? Catz made comments about my moral character knowing full well the circumstances surrounding my initial response to the OP; meaning she must have skipped over that part.
    Catz called you for making a bad argument with a bad analogy, and you vomited forth a lot of tripe about you keeping your emotions in check when others weren't. That's power whining--the sort that merits a serving of Brie or Camembert.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Do tell, how would you have gone about it, or would you have done (play DA) it at all?
    The proper way to play Devil's Advocate in this situation is to consider the credibility of the testimonies given and consider the possibility that the boys were innocent of the charge. Regardless of the severity of the crime, until convicted by a jury the boys still enjoy the presumption of innocence.

    Your approach was to accept the guilt of the boys, then proceed to rationalize how one might hold the girl accountable for their guilt. Lame logic and a scuzz-bucket ethical stance to boot.

    Logic and moral fail....big time.

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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    This really surprises people? Many people STILL blame women for their own rapes. They dressed too sexy, they flirted, or hell... they talked to their assailants. Yes, it's much better now than it used to be in the US with the 'blame the victim' thing, but it hasn't been all that long now, so the same mentality shouldn't really surprise folks.

    It's especially unsurprising by people who come from cultures who feel women are so extraordinarily powerful that they render men completely helpless simply by showing their face to them.

    Sad, yes. Stupid, yes. Surprising? Not so much.

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    Re: Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Catz called you for making a bad argument with a bad analogy, and you vomited forth a lot of tripe about you keeping your emotions in check when others weren't.
    Actually, my logic was spot on in regards to the context of my words. I could care less if you agree, as the intention was not to convince people of anything, but to engage in a discussion that had discoursing dialog. The few of you who obviously got upset need to relax.

    That's power whining--the sort that merits a serving of Brie or Camembert.
    When someone starts attacking you for being immoral or out of their mind (emotional rebuttal much like the one you have attempted to conceal), I am going to respond in proper fashion, and call them on it. You can say what you want about my analogy, but specific comments and tones toward me were conceived from feelings of anger.

    The proper way to play Devil's Advocate in this situation is to consider the credibility of the testimonies given and consider the possibility that the boys were innocent of the charge. Regardless of the severity of the crime, until convicted by a jury the boys still enjoy the presumption of innocence.
    Pertaining to the OP, the question that was in doubt was "fault" not whether the boys were innocent or not. Whether the boys are guilty or not, the fathers inability to either A.) educate his daughter properly & B.) keep an eye on her: led to the situation. None the less, it does not seem likely at all, given the witnesses accounts, that there was a mix up.

    From the article:
    Officers were called to the scene after receiving phone calls about the young girl screaming, and running out of the shed partially clothed.

    Arriving officers said they saw several boys running from the scene, and were able to detain one and later identify three more.

    Hill said all the boys, ages 9, 10, 13 and 14, have been arrested and put in a juvenile corrections center. All four have apparently admitted to planning the assault and have been charged in the case.
    You see, i have a very hard time believing that witnesses were mistaken, or the girl did not receive a rape kit prior to the release of this story. In fact, they could not technically charge the boys with sexual assault without doing so.

    Your approach was to accept the guilt of the boys, then proceed to rationalize how one might hold the girl accountable for their guilt. Lame logic and a scuzz-bucket ethical stance to boot.
    I was not able to diverge the guilty party until a few pages in the thread because i was stormed with such outrage. Here is what you fail to comprehend: I was not trying to shift the guilt, and i made that perfectly clear from the onslaught.

    Logic and moral fail....big time.
    Identify the unsoundness of my logic, or go for a walk and breath slowly. You are in no position to challenge my morality. But your attitude is an example of how people behave irrationally when angered or outraged.

    Have a nice day, and no hard feelings. Unless of course you want to continue being a dick.
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