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Who's to blame in sex assault of girl? Father says nobody

Laila said:
At the age of 8 it was drilled into me if anyone tried giving me something, i was under strict instructions to scream and run or if any men approached me with lollies or icecream. Not to cross the street without holding my Moms hand, do not talk to strangers .... I'm pretty sure everyone has had these discussions and warnings when they were young
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They have. They just don't work very well, in practice. The concept of a "stranger" is too big and amorphous for most small children to grasp.

This message further ignores the fact that most kids are more at risk from people they know, including people living in their own homes, than strangers.

An 8-year-old lives in the moment. For the most part, he/she isn't doing long-term critical thinking about potential dangers. We know these things from child development studies.

So, again, trying to shift the blame onto the child or her parents is disgusting and ignorant.
 
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Goldenboy219 said:
Do explain: What happened if she did not go along with those boys (assuming she was not kidnapped entirely)?
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If she did go along with the boys, that does not excuse their assaulting her. Period. Poor judgment is not a crime; sexual assault is.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Please remove my thanks!!!!!!!! Not that i am not wanting it, but i want to let my count stay where it is for the time being :mrgreen:
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Ha! Done, pothead ...
 
Catz Part Deux said:
They have. They just don't work very well, in practice. The concept of a "stranger" is too big and amorphous. It further ignores the fact that most kids are more at risk from people they know, including people living in their own homes, than strangers.
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Were these boys truly strangers to this girl, or were they neighbors or classmates that she knew?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
They have. They just don't work very well, in practice. The concept of a "stranger" is too big and amorphous. It further ignores the fact that most kids are more at risk from people they know, including people living in their own homes, than strangers.
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A child has a instinctive ability to know strangers from my experience because at such a young age they are around a small group of people who is known to them and is familar. Whenever i meet toddlers, it takes them a while to trust me or even go near me because i am not famillar to them but you are right, they are more at risk with those they know
 
Birdzeye said:
Were these boys truly strangers to this girl, or were they neighbors or classmates that she knew?
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It doesn't say. I doubt that she'd have perceived them as strangers either way. Have you ever seen kids on a playground meeting someone they don't know? A stranger is an ADULT, not another kid. That's how kids think.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
The problem is that no matter how well you think you've communicated this lesson, the concept of strangers doesn't translate well to an 8 year old. Their brain development and maturity levels are insufficient for this to be a good safeguard against danger. Further, most 8 year olds would not think of slightly older children as "strangers." And, it's entirely likely that she was entrapped by the 9-year-old, at the plans of the older kids, based upon reading the article.

You're being absurd herre.

Beyond that, the attempt to shift the blame somehow onto the victim and/or her family is simply disgusting.

Please, go ahead and melt down with exclamation marks. It will be fun watching your brain explode.
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You are either ready to meltdown, or have a problem with reading comprehension. Not once did i say i was attempting to shift the blame, or excuse the behavior of those boys. The fact remains, if she did not go with them, it never would have happened. In these regards, the boys are still unworthy scum whether or not she was lured.

And you are sooo emotionally blown away by this, you fail to think in a logical manner, letting your emotions get the better of you. Yes it was unfortunate, yes it was sad; we know this already. If the point of this thread was to make a "they should die, the father is an asshole" list, it never would have been created in the first place (IMHO).
 
Goldenboy219 said:
You are either ready to meltdown, or have a problem with reading comprehension. Not once did i say i was attempting to shift the blame, or excuse the behavior of those boys. The fact remains, if she did not go with them, it never would have happened. In these regards, the boys are still unworthy scum whether or not she was lured.

And you are sooo emotionally blown away by this, you fail to think in a logical manner, letting your emotions get the better of you. Yes it was unfortunate, yes it was sad; we know this already. If the point of this thread was to make a "they should die, the father is an asshole" list, it never would have been created in the first place (IMHO).
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Fail..........
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Fail..........
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Are you just upset because i did not post based on my emotional outrage of this incident? From the get go, my stance in this discussion was in clear view.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Are you just upset because i did not post based on my emotional outrage of this incident? From the get go, my stance in this discussion was in clear view.
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First off, I don't get emotional about online bulletin boards. I save my emotional outbursts for the real world.

Secondly, your posts lack an understanding of the brain development and social maturity of an average 8 year old, and their typical response to a child of their same age group (who would NOT be perceived as a stranger).

I'm not annoyed, you've just done a shyte job of arguing your chosen position. Thanks for playing, though.
 
That poor, poor girl. I hope she can get the help she needs.

I saw a girl once on the show intervention whose father blamed her for her getting raped and didn't do anything about prosecuting the guy and the girl was so messed up it the head, it was sickening.
 
Laila said:
Honor in tribes lie with the females and if a female is disgraced, it disgraces the family.
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Damn right.

The problem is that people of these cultures don't understand whose fault it is, and whose blood is necessary to wash their honor clean. They deepen their shame by dishonoring their kinswoman further, and by forgiving the filth whose blood is owed to them. I understand the concept of disgrace, but I simply cannot understand how they do not see that the dishonor is done to them by the men who have attacked their daughter and that shame lies in not forcing them to make recompense, one way or another.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
First off, I don't get emotional about online bulletin boards. I save my emotional outbursts for the real world.
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You are taking this specific discussion rather seriously....

Secondly, your posts lack an understanding of the brain development and social maturity of an average 8 year old, and their typical response to a child of their same age group (who would NOT be perceived as a stranger).
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Your reasoning is based on an unprovable assumption: it is typical behavior for an eight year old to fall prey to strangers. I reject this theory based on my own experiences.

I'm not annoyed, you've just done a shyte job of arguing your chosen position. Thanks for playing, though.
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Another opinion? I am impressed:2wave:
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Damn right.

The problem is that people of these cultures don't understand whose fault it is, and whose blood is necessary to wash their honor clean. They deepen their shame by dishonoring their kinswoman further, and by forgiving the filth whose blood is owed to them. I understand the concept of disgrace, but I simply cannot understand how they do not see that the dishonor is done to them by the men who have attacked their daughter and that shame lies in not forcing them to make recompense, one way or another.
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I agree, it takes a certain mentality that has been around for a very long time to think along the lines of blaming the victim rather than the criminal
 
Laila said:
I agree, it takes a certain mentality that has been around for a very long time to think along the lines of blaming the victim rather than the criminal
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As far as assigning blame in this instance, my vote goes for the father. He lets his little girl roam without his supervision, when she was clearly unable to make a proper choice, all the while believing that rape is not a males fault.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Where do these ****ing savages get the idea that the girl child is at fault for getting gang raped and why, why is police department:




Really? What purpose would learning this help in explaining savagry?


Sometimes people in this world make me sick.
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However we may disagree on some matters, I complete agree with you here!!! 100%! This is sickening.
 
It doesn't matter what she did. Nothing anyone does ever IMO makes sexual assult or abuse okay. Period.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
As far as assigning blame in this instance, my vote goes for the father. He lets his little girl roam without his supervision, when she was clearly unable to make a proper choice, all the while believing that rape is not a males fault.
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Good point. If this father is so worried about his daughters honor or what not, why is she being allowed to be put into this kind of situation. Where were the parents when this happened?
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Are you just upset because i did not post based on my emotional outrage of this incident? From the get go, my stance in this discussion was in clear view.
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You drew an analogy between an 8 year old being lured off the street to be gang raped and a teen-ager getting his fool head blown off while trolling the slums looking to score some heroin.

Not only is it a bad argument because it imputes moral responsibility to an 8 year old for being the victim of a sexual assault, not only is it a bad argument because it justifies her father's reprehensible response, it is a bad argument because it is a bad analogy.

And now you power whine because people say your reasoning and your analogy suck?

Satan is supposed to be better at debate than that.
 
Gardener said:
If the family is from Liberia, one shouldn't automatically assume they are Muslim. Only 20 percent of Liberia's populaton is Muslim. Most are either Christian, various indigenous religions or combinations thereof.
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I have already pointed this out in a previous post. I corrected myself. ;)
 
Ikari said:
I wonder how much backlash this story is really going to have. Because, honestly in the end, Americans are just going to think that father to be (and correctly so) a savage. What sort of man could look his daughter in the face after something like that and even think about saying "it's your fault, you've brought us shame"? A father should be doing all he can to not run out and kill all those little bastards who hurt his little girl. And that's sorta the American mentality on it, this being so radically different than how we could consider responding I wouldn't be surprised if this negatively impacted the views Americans have on these refugees.
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That's why I said we shouldn't be allowing Immigration for certain Cultures. Specially the Middle East, and Africa. :roll:
 
celticlord said:
You drew an analogy between an 8 year old being lured off the street to be gang raped and a teen-ager getting his fool head blown off while trolling the slums looking to score some heroin.

Not only is it a bad argument because it imputes moral responsibility to an 8 year old for being the victim of a sexual assault, not only is it a bad argument because it justifies her father's reprehensible response, it is a bad argument because it is a bad analogy.

And now you power whine because people say your reasoning and your analogy suck?
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I used the analogy to represent consequences of actions, not to relate them. Also, i was very careful in asserting that i was playing devils advocate, and was not trying to justify what the boys or the father said/did.

BTW, how was i power whining? Catz made comments about my moral character knowing full well the circumstances surrounding my initial response to the OP; meaning she must have skipped over that part.

Satan is supposed to be better at debate than that.
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While i am not surprised people become deeply emotional when discussing this sort of thing, i am surprised that a few begrudged me for "playing devils advocate".

Do tell, how would you have gone about it, or would you have done (play DA) it at all?
 
Coronado said:
Agreed.

One of my coworkers used to work at a maximum-security prison in west Pennsylvania and told me stories about what the other inmates used to do to cons who were in for child molestation and the like. Imagine the worst sorts of things that could happen to a person's anus and multiply that by a thousand. It will be hard time, in every sense of the word, and good enough for 'em.
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If I were the guard I'd go a further step, blast some Barry White and Al Green, etc. and go play poker with the rest of my colleagues while that happened to the freak, then come back later and play dumb. Probably a good thing I'm not in prison security.
 
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