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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Only if Liberals are in charge. Let us hope that this trend reverses before it is too late.
    Oh yeah, get some blood thirsty conservatives in power.
    Score!
    That'll get us somewhere seeing it was them creeps that got us into this war


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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I'm doing them a better service by keeping them alive than sent out to fight a war that is doomed to failure. I am not belitting their sacrifice by pointing out the obvious.
    There is absolutely no support for the prediction that the war in Afghanistan is doomed to fail. That others have failed in no way necessitates that someone else will; according to your reasoning, the Panama Canal should never have been built.

    Unless, of course, you're referring to the fact that The Obama is now running the war...

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    As opposed to The Obama, who just warms over things that GWB told us years ago.

    One would think that The Secular Messiah would be able to come up with His own rhetoric.
    He can only quote the Gospel According to Saint Teleprompter.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Oh yeah, get some blood thirsty conservatives in power.
    Score!
    That'll get us somewhere seeing it was them creeps that got us into this war
    Fascinating use of hyperbolic BS to describe a philosophy wrapped in the emotional nonsense that appears to make up most of your arguments.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    History demonstrates the same cycle and the same outcome. Failure.

    The same curtains will fall on UK and US's turn
    History doesn't declare the outcome of wars.
    The outcome of wars declare history.

    One way or the other, you cannot decide whether this little war will be a victory or a failure before it's even close to the end.
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    He can only quote the Gospel According to Saint Teleprompter.
    Ahh... so His writers are copying text from GWB....
    ... and The Obama didn't notice.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I'm doing them a better service by keeping them alive than sent out to fight a war that is doomed to failure. I am not belitting their sacrifice by pointing out the obvious.
    British soldiers do not even have the equipment, uniform, helicoptar. Our freaking GENERAL of the Army didn't even have a helicoptar and was reduced to flying in a US LENT one. Does that sound like a Army that will win a war in a country where no army have suceeded in?
    Forgive me but it's quite silly to risk the nation for the sake of its soldiers.
    Soldiers serve the nation in order to protect it, and not the other way around.
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    see post #69
    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    see post #69
    I saw the link you posted and nothing in it supports your farcical assertions. Letís recap:

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    Didn't your dear leader already claim Victory in Iraq and Afghanistan.....
    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Are you THAT unfamiliar with the history of Rumsfield and Cheney and their neo-con agenda regarding Iraq that dated back decades before 9/11???
    Yes we are aware there are a lot of sources out there, but that is not the point. We are saying that your assertions were FALSE and asked you to provide YOUR source that supports it.

    I cannot find a source that supports your farcical and false assertions and as such, it is incumbent upon you to prove them with credible facts and sources. The burden of proof lies with you to make your case, not for us to do your research for you; we have and are calling you out on it.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    There is absolutely no support for the prediction that the war in Afghanistan is doomed to fail.
    Pick up a history book.
    The main reason soviets failed was because of the moutains and structure of Afghanistan is such that people will never win. British tried it 3 times and failed.
    Soviets had 100,000 soldiers there. How many do we have?

    We will fail. I am just accepting the inevitable before any of you.


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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You keep railing about soldiers dying; what do you think soldiers do?

    I understand that you can only view things through an emotional perspective and your own emotional state, but does it occur to you that men do not sign up for the military because they think it is a "peace corps", they sign up because they want adventure and have a profound desire to serve and if necessary, give up their lives serving for the causes they believe in. Many enjoy the idea of firing a weapon and blowing things up and the idea of killing the enemy. After 9-11, many signed up for the specific purpose of being sent to the ME to kill these bastards who had the audacity to attack us.

    I am amazed how little Liberals comprehend of the idea of sacrifice. I am equally stunned when Liberals take the efforts of these brave men and women and impugn them with naive notions about how to confront an enemy who thinks nothing of murdering as many innocent civilians as they can for the mere reason that these innocents do not have the same fanatic religious faith that these murderers have.

    I am fairly certain that MOST of the men and women who are dying do not appreciate your efforts to "save" them by suggesting that they cannot win this fight.

    You are a little extreme in your assertions sir. I am a Democrat and think that the soldiers are doing a superb job. I have hope that Iraq will survive as a strong democracy. I supported the surge, though felt it was too late, and understand well the sacrifice that is necessary in order to preserve freedom.

    I feel that most mix partisan sentiment with patriotism in the discussion of Iraq. Was it the best time to make a regime change? No, not with Afghanistan unfinished, but did Saadam need to go? Yes. Ultimately, the past is the past and people should attempt to pull together and focus on the same outcome, a free Iraq. However, I think your partisan painting of people's sentiment about Iraq failing has nothing to do with the soldiers abilities to win a ground war, but everything to do with whether the Iraqi people can maintain their freedom and withstand and overcome their own differences, as well as prevent terror groups from hijacking their country. To say that anyone who questions this, questions the U.S. military's abilities is false and strawman, as you well know.

    War is an evil necessary, and if I were needed I would go in a minute. This country is based on the principle that the people can preserve their own freedom and govern themselves. This requires the ultimate sacrifice sometimes, and for Republicans to insinuate that they have such a thing cornered in ludicrous, at best.

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