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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    So you would prefer an appeal to the lowest common denominator to appease people such as yourself with false claims of "mission accomplished"?
    I would prefer Presidents realize that certain rhetorical flourishes do matter, particularly to the troops on the ground.

    I don't know any soldiers who enjoy being told that victory is not part of their mission parameters.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    WE SHALL ACHIEVE NON VICTORY IN AFGHANISTAN!



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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I would prefer Presidents realize that certain rhetorical flourishes do matter, particularly to the troops on the ground.

    I don't know any soldiers who enjoy being told that victory is not part of their mission parameters.

    You really think the troops are that naive and stupid that they need false reassurances from their Dear Leader?
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    If Victory is not the goal, then what is not victory?
    What is victory?
    We will not defeat a ideology through guns and bombs. Everyone knows this. If making Al Qaeda and Taliban disappear is our idea of victory. We lose.
    Taliban and Al Qaeda are different. The Taliban are actual Afghanis, they are the citizens of a country. Most likely people who wear flip flops and walk past our soldiers patrolling but at night bring out the guns. It is them who are our goal.
    What we should do is build schools in the places we are 'occupying' and promote education. Build clean waters and roads. Show to them that it is much better our way than theirs. That is victory to me. If we weaken the ideology and its stranglehold, we can never destroy it


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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    What is victory?
    We will not defeat a ideology through guns and bombs. Everyone knows this. If making Al Qaeda and Taliban disappear is our idea of victory. We lose.
    Taliban and Al Qaeda are different. The Taliban are actual Afghanis, they are the citizens of a country. Most likely people who wear flip flops and walk past our soldiers patrolling but at night bring out the guns. It is them who are our goal.
    What we should do is build schools in the places we are 'occupying' and promote education. Build clean waters and roads. Show to them that it is much better our way than theirs. That is victory to me. If we weaken the ideology and its stranglehold, we can never destroy it




    I am more curious as to what non victory is?
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Bush believed that Saddam was a destabilizing force in the Middle East, and that once the sanctions regime collapsed he would restart his WMD programs--and the time was right for removing him from power and ending that threat in the Middle East once and for all.
    oops! Maybe he should have stayed in Afghanistan rather than take on Rumsfield and Cheney's decades old agenda.
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    onward to non victory!!!!
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I am more curious as to what non victory is?
    Losing to me?
    More soldiers dying and us losing ground. Not weakening extremism in the area and the elections become ruined and fail.


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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    1 - he didn't say he's "ashamed of defeating our enemies"
    2 - defeating the Taliban has nothing to do with conquering Afghanistan
    3 - the moron is in your mirror
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That's exactly the point you are missing.

    What Obama is saying that "leadership" is not about some catchphrase claim of "Victory" or "Mission Accomplished" to try to appease your supporters.

    Anyone can move the boundaries around and claim "Victory"....hell, we see it everyday on these boards...people claiming "I won the debate" when all they really did was define it in a way that met their definition in order to make a bogus claim.
    So... you approve of the language used by The Obma?

    Ironic, given that His words echo that of GWB:

    Now, this war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion. It will not look like the air war above Kosovo two years ago, where no ground troops were used and not a single American was lost in combat.

    Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes visible on TV and covert operations secret even in success.
    Transcript of President Bush's Speech

    Victory will not look like the ones our fathers and grandfathers achieved. There will be no surrender ceremony on the deck of a battleship," he said. "But victory in Iraq will bring something new in the Arab world: a functioning democracy that polices its territory, upholds the rule of law, respects fundamental human liberties, and answers to its people."
    Bush stresses change in Iraq policy speech - CNN.com

    Good to see The Obama comes up with His own stuff.
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