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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbeaux View Post
    WowÖI regard your spreading hate comment as a personal attack. Indeed, everything I say about Islam is always true and therefore is totally legitimate criticism. blah blah...blah...The reality is Muslims donít immigrate to assimilate and integrate, instead they migrate to one day replace our constitution with the Koran and to impose Sharia upon kafirs. .
    I made the mistake of trying to hold a dialogue with you, not noticing you only came to this forum to spread racism. You are not welcome here, divisive though we are, no one at this place welcomes your message of intolerance and ignorance. Your seeds of hatred will not grow here. Go away.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    This is the question you've been repeating over and over. If it made any sense I might try to answer it. As it is, there is clearly no Right Answer.



    Absolutley correct, there is no such thing as a right answer, when you are using double talk in regards to "non-victory"...


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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Your nation, led by irresponsible, privileged rich boys who never served in the military, put Americans at risk in Iraq with no plan for "victory" and no hope of resolution. So don't talk to me about "whiny liberals" or your manly Republican patriotism. You started a war in Afghanistan that you walked away from , then started another in Iraq which cannot be "won". Your side blew it...again....leaving the rest of us to clean up your mess. Next time you feel like acting manly, go watch a Rambo movie.


    couple things...


    1. when and where did you serve?


    2. Obama says victory is not needed.... Why are you harping on "victory" when it suits you?
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbeaux View Post
    Exactly how did we screw up the end game?
    We left the place in shambles. We funded the Muju's war against the Soviets, defeted them and walked off. We left a perfect environment for the crazies to work with. It's the same thing that happened in Germany after WW1.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    And it was a Republican administration that ****ed up the end game, so cut the new guy a little slack while he tries to sort out the mess.
    It was a Democrat Congress that wouldn't authorize funding to rebuild the country, so let's keep things in perspective. Read, "Charlie Wilson's War", sometime--the book, not the movie. It'll educational. I promise.
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Let us not forget that there ARE literally tens of millions of Muslims who do NOT hate America. I just watched a series hosted on Al Jazeera called Islam in America that was very enlightening to show how Muslims have thrived in the U.S., and are in fact very patriotic. We have nations from Morocco to Turkey to Indonesia that hosts populations that are far more interested in being close to the U.S. than burning flags.
    There were millions of Nazis that didn't hate America.

    It's always puzzled me how there can be so many Muslims that love America and hate the extremists, yet they don't seem to be able to put and end to the extremism. I have my own theory as to why that's so, but I'm told that I'm wrong, but no one can explain it to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    And it was a Republican administration that ****ed up the end game, so cut the new guy a little slack while he tries to sort out the mess.
    While He tries to sort out the mess.. by doing and saying the same things that GWB did and said.

    But then, The Obama has a (D) next to His name, so that's all -you- need to know.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 07-28-09 at 11:59 AM.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I made the mistake of trying to hold a dialogue with you, not noticing you only came to this forum to spread racism. You are not welcome here, divisive though we are, no one at this place welcomes your message of intolerance and ignorance. Your seeds of hatred will not grow here. Go away.
    Your silly accusation is another very typical response from a liberal who because he canít refute the message resorts to personally attacking the messenger by labeling him a racist and by also accusing him of spreading hate. In other words, since you canít rebut my messages with facts or evidence that contradict them you simply try to impugn my character by labeling me a racist. How so very typical of you! Itís like some of you guys are walking talking zombies. Indeed, it is so uncanny how you all react in the same exact very stereotypical way and use the same amateurish and boorish tactics.

    In any event, how can I be a racist since Islam includes all races and Muslims consist of all races? Indeed, by you labeling me a racist without presenting an ounce of facts to back up your silly allegation, you have confirmed and demonstrated at the same time that your level of knowledge with respect to Islam is below that of a rank novice. Yet, because my message runs so counter to what you have been inculcated to believe, you react impulsively by personally attacking the messenger in a feeble attempt to marginalize the message. However, Iím afraid your personal attack backfired on you, as you ended up only marginalizing yourself by demonstrating that you donít even have the first clue.

    In any event, itís okay buddy, as I have a very thick skin and since my skin is so thick, I donít mind the personal attacks. At least I know where you stand on an intellectual capacity level basis.

    Nevertheless, because my criticisms of Islam are all true, they can only be construed as being legitimate criticism. Thus, I have to ask you what do you have against criticism when it is true and legitimate?

    Are you for putting Islam up on a pedestal and for making it beyond reproach, unlike Christianity and Judaism that are both routinely very viciously vilified and illegitimately attacked in the most vile ways on a regular basis in our society today, and do you also support the censure of speech, legitimate or otherwise, only when it comes to Islam? Obviously, you must!

    In any event, if you can prove anything I have ever said regarding Islam is not true and therefore not legitimate criticism, then I will gladly apologize to you and any other person I have inadvertently offended and promise to never bring up the issue of Islam again. That is, of course, only if you can prove that what I say about Islam is not true and thus constitutes illegitimate criticism. However, please excuse me if I donít hold my breath waiting.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We left the place in shambles. We funded the Muju's war against the Soviets, defeted them and walked off. We left a perfect environment for the crazies to work with. It's the same thing that happened in Germany after WW1.
    And if we'd stayed, all the whiners of the world would be complaining about US imperialism.

    We made an agreement to help Afghanland get rid of the Soviets.

    We fulfilled that agreement.

    People really need to stop whining that (a) we're not the police force of the world and (b) we didn't police Afghanistan.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbeaux View Post
    I hate to rain on your parade one more time, but abandoning Afghanistan as soon as our mission was complete was the correct thing to do. You see Muslims don't attack us because of what we do. Instead they attack us and the entire non-Islamic world because Islam has a universal mission to make the world sovereign for Allah via the imposition of Sharia. Indeed, it's the entire sole purpose of Islam.
    Right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbeaux View Post
    In any event, I wish the USA had exited Iraq as soon as Saddam was captured and the country had been scoured for WMD. Of course, Iran and the Sunni states would have gotten sucked into Iraq because of the gigantic vacuum we would have left behind and when they did and while they were totally distracted with imposing their hegemony in Iran, would have been the opportune time to obliterate the Mullahs, hit the IRGC, and eliminate their nuclear weapons program.

    Too bad that Bush turned out to be a mentally incompetent political correct multicultural bleeding heart liberal instead of a true conservative.
    Gotta remember what buffoons we send to Washington these days. I don't think your plan would have worked even if we'd had the right people in office. to many uncontrolled factors.

    Your heart's in the right place, though.

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