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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

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    I read the article, you're partisan lefty blinders keep you from seeing anything but leg tingling excrement dripping from the article.
    Blah blah blah...it's your insane hyper partisan epilepsy that causes you to read an article like that and reach the conclusions you do. You are that desperate to find fault that you actually fool your own brain and pull stunts like this.

    There is plenty to criticize Obama over that is legitimate. Why some of you choose this weak ass route I'll never understand.
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Sure you are.

    I remember the celebrations you people had commemorating the 3000th dead soldier in Iraq, and then the 4000th.

    But I bet you don't say a ****in' word about the soldiers "Don't Want No Victory" Obama gets killed.
    You have lost your mother ****ing mind.

    Seriously.
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    I donít get it. If our objective is to kill OBL and AQ, then what are we doing trying to win the hearts and minds of Muslims in Afghanistan when Muslim are obligated to hate us per their holy text no matter what we do?

    I mean why did we jump into the middle of a civil war between the Northern Alliance and the Taliban in 2001 to begin with instead of targeting and obliterating only OBL and AQ, then going home?

    Indeed, it was common knowledge back then that Mullah Omar didnít know about 9/11 beforehand and that OBL had even lied to his face about 9/11 after the fact. So why did we intentionally and needlessly pick a fight with the Taliban and ignorantly jump into the middle of a civil war?

    Hell, why did we duplicate the Soviet Unionís strategic blunder by stupidly occupying a backwards Muslim country in order to pursue a senseless fantasy based nation-building mission that had no chance in hell of ever being successful?

    I suggest that if we want retribution for 9/11 that we go after OBL and AQ in Pakistan and stop pursuing silly fantasy based nation-building missions to win the hearts and minds of Muslims since that is entirely impossible. Not to mention that the Pakistanis like all other Islamic countries have been playing a double game with us since the very beginning.

    Thus, why is Afghanistan a terrorist haven but Pakistan is not? Indeed, why is Saudi Arabia, which provided in excess of 40 percent of the suicide/homicide bombers that flocked to Iraq through Syria during the height of the Iraqi insurgency not also a terrorist haven but Afghanistan is? As a matter of fact, the reality is every damn Islamic country in the world is a terrorist haven since Jihad is a religious obligation and holy duty.

    If we want to stop future mega Islamic terrorist attacks inside America, then lets not double the size of the federal government like Bush did or needlessly pursue endless fantasy based nation building missions preordained to fail because our current leaders are too incompetent to study the texts, tenants, and history of Islam.

    Letís instead seal off our borders and ban and reverse Muslim immigration since Islam is completely incompatible with pluralistic and non-Islamic societies anyway. I mean isnít it common sense, no Muslims equals no possibility of Islamic terrorist attacks? Not to mention a hell of a lot cheaper as well!

    Indeed, can anyone point to any country anywhere in the world where Muslims have migrated to that have not inevitably become the victim of Islamic terrorist attacks? Where the budget for homeland security has not necessarily doubled, tripled, or quadrupled? By the same token, can anyone point to any country anywhere in the world where Muslim migration has not yet occurred that has also been the victim of an Islamic terrorist attack? Thus, the West should seek to disengage from the Islamic world as much as possible.

    We should not seek to win the hearts and minds of Muslims, because winning their hearts and minds is absolutely impossible because they are obligated per their holy text to hate non-Muslim no matter what we do. Instead, we should target and obliterate the most immediate threats when they arise, then after the mission is complete, leave as soon as possible letting our actions speak for itself and serve as deterrence.

    The last thing we should ever do is get caught up in endless fantasy based nation-building missions or Islamic insurgencies like Afghanistan and Iraq and let them dictate the battlefield and pursue asymmetric warfare against us.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Sure you are.

    I remember the celebrations you people had commemorating the 3000th dead soldier in Iraq, and then the 4000th.

    But I bet you don't say a ****in' word about the soldiers "Don't Want No Victory" Obama gets killed.
    American combat casualties no longer have any political worth.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbeaux View Post
    I donít get it. If our objective is to kill OBL and AQ, then what are we doing trying to win the hearts and minds of Muslims in Afghanistan when Muslim are obligated to hate us per their holy text no matter what we do?

    I mean why did we jump into the middle of a civil war between the Northern Alliance and the Taliban in 2001 to begin with instead of targeting and obliterating only OBL and AQ, then going home?

    Because we ****ed up the end game the last time we got involved in Afghanistan. It's the reason we are where we are. We're trying not to repeat the same mistake.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because we ****ed up the end game the last time we got involved in Afghanistan. It's the reason we are where we are. We're trying not to repeat the same mistake.
    Exactly how did we screw up the end game?

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbeaux View Post
    Exactly how did we screw up the end game?
    We supported the mujihadeen in the 1980s order to defeat the Soviet Union.(We actually screwed up the game generally since we funneled funds through the ISI, who used the oppurtunity to support rebels that they favored... usually militant Islamists.). Afterwards, we forgot about Afghanistan all together and allowed the cards to fall where they may in the country.

    Btw, no where in Islam texts does it say anything about killing Americans. That is a radical interpretation of Islam... This was never and will never be a war against Islam. The people we have put in power, Karzai and the new Afghan government, are muslims.
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbeaux View Post
    I donít get it. If our objective is to kill OBL and AQ, then what are we doing trying to win the hearts and minds of Muslims in Afghanistan when Muslim are obligated to hate us per their holy text no matter what we do?
    they are not, only the fringe Muslims

    I mean why did we jump into the middle of a civil war between the Northern Alliance and the Taliban in 2001 to begin with instead of targeting and obliterating only OBL and AQ, then going home?
    Because the plan to get OBL was a Clinton plan

    Indeed, it was common knowledge back then that Mullah Omar didnít know about 9/11 beforehand and that OBL had even lied to his face about 9/11 after the fact. So why did we intentionally and needlessly pick a fight with the Taliban and ignorantly jump into the middle of a civil war?

    Hell, why did we duplicate the Soviet Unionís strategic blunder by stupidly occupying a backwards Muslim country in order to pursue a senseless fantasy based nation-building mission that had no chance in hell of ever being successful?
    Ask Bush and Cheney

    I suggest that if we want retribution for 9/11 that we go after OBL and AQ in Pakistan and stop pursuing silly fantasy based nation-building missions to win the hearts and minds of Muslims since that is entirely impossible. Not to mention that the Pakistanis like all other Islamic countries have been playing a double game with us since the very beginning.

    Thus, why is Afghanistan a terrorist haven but Pakistan is not?
    it is, we just don't admit it
    Indeed, why is Saudi Arabia, which provided in excess of 40 percent of the suicide/homicide bombers that flocked to Iraq through Syria during the height of the Iraqi insurgency not also a terrorist haven but Afghanistan is?
    not to mention almost all of the 9/11 hijackers
    As a matter of fact, the reality is every damn Islamic country in the world is a terrorist haven since Jihad is a religious obligation and holy duty.
    not for most of the billion Muslims, only for the fringe. Just like America has a fringe of nut cases (we call them Republicans), Muslims also have a rightwing fringe

    If we want to stop future mega Islamic terrorist attacks inside America, then lets not double the size of the federal government like Bush did or needlessly pursue endless fantasy based nation building missions preordained to fail because our current leaders are too incompetent to study the texts, tenants, and history of Islam.

    Letís instead seal off our borders and ban and reverse Muslim immigration since Islam is completely incompatible with pluralistic and non-Islamic societies anyway. I mean isnít it common sense, no Muslims equals no possibility of Islamic terrorist attacks? Not to mention a hell of a lot cheaper as well!
    "sealing the borders" is not only not cheap, it is impossible
    Indeed, can anyone point to any country anywhere in the world where Muslims have migrated to that have not inevitably become the victim of Islamic terrorist attacks?
    Sweden? Ireland? Argentina?
    Where the budget for homeland security has not necessarily doubled, tripled, or quadrupled? By the same token, can anyone point to any country anywhere in the world where Muslim migration has not yet occurred that has also been the victim of an Islamic terrorist attack? Thus, the West should seek to disengage from the Islamic world as much as possible.

    We should not seek to win the hearts and minds of Muslims, because winning their hearts and minds is absolutely impossible because they are obligated per their holy text to hate non-Muslim no matter what we do.
    you are just wrong about this, read a little about Islam
    Instead, we should target and obliterate the most immediate threats when they arise, then after the mission is complete, leave as soon as possible letting our actions speak for itself and serve as deterrence.

    The last thing we should ever do is get caught up in endless fantasy based nation-building missions or Islamic insurgencies like Afghanistan and Iraq and let them dictate the battlefield and pursue asymmetric warfare against us.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because we ****ed up the end game the last time we got involved in Afghanistan. It's the reason we are where we are. We're trying not to repeat the same mistake.
    And it was a Republican administration that ****ed up the end game, so cut the new guy a little slack while he tries to sort out the mess.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    We supported the mujihadeen in the 1980s order to defeat the Soviet Union.(We actually screwed up the game generally since we funneled funds through the ISI, who used the oppurtunity to support rebels that they favored... usually militant Islamists.). Afterwords, we forgot about Afghanistan all together and allowed the cards to fall where they may in the country.

    Btw, no where in Islam texts does it say anything about killing Americans. That is a radical interpretation of Islam... This was never and will never be a war against Islam. The people we have put in power, Karzai and the new Afghan government, are muslims.
    Let us not forget that there ARE literally tens of millions of Muslims who do NOT hate America. I just watched a series hosted on Al Jazeera called Islam in America that was very enlightening to show how Muslims have thrived in the U.S., and are in fact very patriotic. We have nations from Morocco to Turkey to Indonesia that hosts populations that are far more interested in being close to the U.S. than burning flags.

    I will say if anyone can get a chance to see Skyone's Ross Kemp series called "Ross Kemp on Gangs" you see a parallel that existed the same with the old Marxist movements of the 1960s. Whether it is criminal gangs, Marxist insurgents, or Islamic insurgents, the same thread goes through each of these societies, that being object and utter poverty. Islamic radicalism is nothing new in the sense that people have simply replaced the old Marxist ideas with religion. It should be noted that Ayatollah Khomeini conspired with the Communists and other Marxist radicals in Paris. The old guard of Palestinian terrorist groups were almost all Marxist, or Marxist/Leninist influenced. The problem has always remained the same, disaffection, poverty, lack of opportunities, etc..People just selectively chose the enemy over the years and the tool to attack it. I saw this phenomena when I lived in France. Members of the Communist Party who previously saw the "Capitalist" as the enemy, easily and transparently were able to switch to Jean-Marie Le Pen's rightist anti-immigrant party...for the enemy was now the immigrant.

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