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Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

President Bush declared "Mission Accomplished" when major military operations had removed Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq--which they had. What Bush failed to acknowledge and perhaps realize was the challenge of "winning the peace" that would follow.

Don't recall President Bush ever declaring "victory" in Afghanistan. Have you a link stating he did?


Didn't he claim Victory by stopping to look for those that attacked us on 911 and instead focus all of our resources and try to link Iraq with 911.

Oh...I forgot. GWB never did anything wrong in your mind. :doh
 
Didn't he claim Victory by stopping to look for those that attacked us on 911 and instead focus all of our resources and try to link Iraq with 911.

Oh...I forgot. GWB never did anything wrong in your mind. :doh





you are speaking nonsense again.
 
Didn't he claim Victory by stopping to look for those that attacked us on 911 and instead focus all of our resources and try to link Iraq with 911.
Link?

Or is that merely your benighted misinterpretation of things predicated on your ignorance of foreign affairs.
 
Didn't he claim Victory by stopping to look for those that attacked us on 911 and instead focus all of our resources and try to link Iraq with 911.

Yeah, and the people who constantly bleat on with this trope need to explain why, if it was a simple matter of will, bin Laden hasn't been captured yet. My God, it's been six months.
 
Such a defeatist attitude, we are not the Soviets, and the soviets are not arming the other side.

You got that right.
The Soviets knew when to pull out and accept defeat.
 

This,,,from our beloved President...:lol: The civilized World is in a War with suicidal Islamic idiots,,,and he's not interested in winning. :roll:
You obviously miss the point like most of your partisan friends. He's hesitant to use the word "victory" because he does not want to conjure up images of us taking over Afghanistan. His reasoning: Afghanistan is not our enemy. Al-Qaeda is our enemy. I'm sorry you are struggling to grasp this concept. Keep trying.
 
Link?

Or is that merely your benighted misinterpretation of things predicated on your ignorance of foreign affairs.

Ok....then explain to me WHY one would redirect resources to focus on a Country that had nothing to do with the attack on us?
 
You obviously miss the point like most of your partisan friends. He's hesitant to use the word "victory" because he does not want to conjure up images of us taking over Afghanistan. His reasoning: Afghanistan is not our enemy. Al-Qaeda is our enemy. I'm sorry you are struggling to grasp this concept. Keep trying.
I'm sorry you share Dear Leader's contempt for people that you fear to use words such as "victory" to describe the proper objectives for our troops.
 
I'm sorry you share Dear Leader's contempt for people that you fear to use words such as "victory" to describe the proper objectives for our troops.


So you would prefer an appeal to the lowest common denominator to appease people such as yourself with false claims of "mission accomplished"?:lol:
 
Ok....then explain to me WHY one would redirect resources to focus on a Country that had nothing to do with the attack on us?
Bush believed that Saddam was a destabilizing force in the Middle East, and that once the sanctions regime collapsed he would restart his WMD programs--and the time was right for removing him from power and ending that threat in the Middle East once and for all.
 
I'm sorry you share Dear Leader's contempt for people that you fear to use words such as "victory" to describe the proper objectives for our troops.
I don't agree with him, but I understand his point of view. You should try viewing things from another perspective some time.
 
So you would prefer an appeal to the lowest common denominator to appease people such as yourself with false claims of "mission accomplished"?

I would prefer Presidents realize that certain rhetorical flourishes do matter, particularly to the troops on the ground.

I don't know any soldiers who enjoy being told that victory is not part of their mission parameters.
 
I would prefer Presidents realize that certain rhetorical flourishes do matter, particularly to the troops on the ground.

I don't know any soldiers who enjoy being told that victory is not part of their mission parameters.


You really think the troops are that naive and stupid that they need false reassurances from their Dear Leader?
 
If Victory is not the goal, then what is not victory?

What is victory?
We will not defeat a ideology through guns and bombs. Everyone knows this. If making Al Qaeda and Taliban disappear is our idea of victory. We lose.
Taliban and Al Qaeda are different. The Taliban are actual Afghanis, they are the citizens of a country. Most likely people who wear flip flops and walk past our soldiers patrolling but at night bring out the guns. It is them who are our goal.
What we should do is build schools in the places we are 'occupying' and promote education. Build clean waters and roads. Show to them that it is much better our way than theirs. That is victory to me. If we weaken the ideology and its stranglehold, we can never destroy it
 
What is victory?
We will not defeat a ideology through guns and bombs. Everyone knows this. If making Al Qaeda and Taliban disappear is our idea of victory. We lose.
Taliban and Al Qaeda are different. The Taliban are actual Afghanis, they are the citizens of a country. Most likely people who wear flip flops and walk past our soldiers patrolling but at night bring out the guns. It is them who are our goal.
What we should do is build schools in the places we are 'occupying' and promote education. Build clean waters and roads. Show to them that it is much better our way than theirs. That is victory to me. If we weaken the ideology and its stranglehold, we can never destroy it





I am more curious as to what non victory is?
 
Bush believed that Saddam was a destabilizing force in the Middle East, and that once the sanctions regime collapsed he would restart his WMD programs--and the time was right for removing him from power and ending that threat in the Middle East once and for all.

oops!:doh Maybe he should have stayed in Afghanistan rather than take on Rumsfield and Cheney's decades old agenda.
 
I am more curious as to what non victory is?

Losing to me?
More soldiers dying and us losing ground. Not weakening extremism in the area and the elections become ruined and fail.
 
1 - he didn't say he's "ashamed of defeating our enemies"
2 - defeating the Taliban has nothing to do with conquering Afghanistan
3 - the moron is in your mirror

WillRockwell
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:rofl
 
That's exactly the point you are missing.

What Obama is saying that "leadership" is not about some catchphrase claim of "Victory" or "Mission Accomplished" to try to appease your supporters.

Anyone can move the boundaries around and claim "Victory"....hell, we see it everyday on these boards...people claiming "I won the debate" when all they really did was define it in a way that met their definition in order to make a bogus claim.
So... you approve of the language used by The Obma?

Ironic, given that His words echo that of GWB:

Now, this war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion. It will not look like the air war above Kosovo two years ago, where no ground troops were used and not a single American was lost in combat.

Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes visible on TV and covert operations secret even in success.
Transcript of President Bush's Speech

Victory will not look like the ones our fathers and grandfathers achieved. There will be no surrender ceremony on the deck of a battleship," he said. "But victory in Iraq will bring something new in the Arab world: a functioning democracy that polices its territory, upholds the rule of law, respects fundamental human liberties, and answers to its people."

Bush stresses change in Iraq policy speech - CNN.com

Good to see The Obama comes up with His own stuff.
 
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