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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This statement shows Obama knows nothing of history. Emperor Hirohito did not sign the surrender Foreign Minister Mamoru Shigemitsu did Sept. 2,1945 on Battleship Missouri.

    Emperor Hirohito was humbled by Mac Arthur summing him to Mac Arthur's head quarters to show that he not Emperor Hirohito was in charge.

    Obama should have known that.
    As to him not wanting to win is no surprise he recently bent over backwards to appease his Muslim brothers. Obama's a the ultimate Wimp in Chief . He doesn't care that it would mean all who died did so for nothing because the Taliban will take back over in no time at all, giving Al Queda their training ground back. It makes you wonder who's side is the Amateur in Chief on.
    1.) The U.S. has been in negations since 2008 (who was President then?)
    2.) Learn the meaning of metaphor, obviously lost on you.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I don't get it.
    Isn't securing Afghanistan from terror, a victory?
    That's exactly the point you are missing.

    What Obama is saying that "leadership" is not about some catchphrase claim of "Victory" or "Mission Accomplished" to try to appease your supporters.

    Anyone can move the boundaries around and claim "Victory"....hell, we see it everyday on these boards...people claiming "I won the debate" when all they really did was define it in a way that met their definition in order to make a bogus claim.
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That's exactly the point you are missing.

    What Obama is saying that "leadership" is not about some catchphrase claim of "Victory" or "Mission Accomplished" to try to appease your supporters.

    Anyone can move the boundaries around and claim "Victory"....hell, we see it everyday on these boards...people claiming "I won the debate" when all they really did was define it in a way that met their definition in order to make a bogus claim.



    Oh so after attacking police officers, he thought it appropriate to attack the previous administration?


    How about he instead focuses on winning in afghanistan so our troops can come home.
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Oh so after attacking police officers, he thought it appropriate to attack the previous administration?


    How about he instead focuses on winning in afghanistan so our troops can come home.
    I see that you are still caught up in the last administration catch phrases....I thought that "Mission" was already "Accomplished"
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    I think Obama's meaning is being missed here by some literalists. I believe what he was saying is that in the War on Terror, there can never be a traditional victory, as we are not dealing with a state, but multiple terror groups working under one umbrella. How can one know if you have killed the last member of Al-Qaeda? They are spread throughout the world, without defined uniform, language, or even command. So the take home message is that the measure of victory in this struggle is different from conventional measures of victory.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Oh so after attacking police officers, he thought it appropriate to attack the previous administration?


    How about he instead focuses on winning in afghanistan so our troops can come home.
    Not to hijack the thread, but Rev do you really think those officers behaved properly. I think that after identifying Gates as the owner of the home, the officer should have left. From cops I know, the "disturbing the peace," charge is nothing more really than "contempt against cop." I have been told several times that they use the charge to arrest people who are guilty of nothing but pissing them off.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That's exactly the point you are missing.

    What Obama is saying that "leadership" is not about some catchphrase claim of "Victory" or "Mission Accomplished" to try to appease your supporters.

    Anyone can move the boundaries around and claim "Victory"....hell, we see it everyday on these boards...people claiming "I won the debate" when all they really did was define it in a way that met their definition in order to make a bogus claim.
    Yes, that is what he's saying.
    But when you complete your Goals, and the other side has failed to completed his, you've won, whether you like it or not.

    Saying that victory is not a goal is pretty weird, because the goal is securing A-stan from terrorism, and if Obama doesn't necessarily want victory, he doesn't necessarily want to complete this goal, and doesn't necessarily want to secure A-stan from terrorism.

    This is why I got confused from Obama's words.
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Your posts? usually not.....
    Obviously you did read sam_w's post.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Oh so after attacking police officers, he thought it appropriate to attack the previous administration?


    How about he instead focuses on winning in afghanistan so our troops can come home.
    Well i think the point that hes making is that victory is difficult to define. Obviously we,re not going to get to the point were no one is taking to arms against the government attal any time soon.So at what point can we say we have won? E.G if everythings quiet for 6 months and then theres an attack does that mean we,ve won?
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