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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    No one? "non-victory" what is it? anyone?
    Sorry, I just don't have time to compile a Regional Assessment of the Middle East for you. Maybe later.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Sorry, I just don't have time to compile a Regional Assessment of the Middle East for you....
    ... or the capability.
    But, your running away from the issue is noted.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    ... or the capability.
    But, your running away from the issue is noted.
    You acknowledged yourself in saying that Obama said as a goal for victory "When we are sure they can't attack the United States."

    So if Al-Q steps it up a notch and attacks us with a group from say....Africa. Does that mean Afghanistan was a Victory? Does it mean it was a defeat?

    Obama is absolutely right in saying that victory in Afghanistan is not necessarily a goal, victory should be when Al-Q can't attack us from anywhere. The goal is to defeat Al-Q, not just defeat them in Afghanistan or Iraq, but everywhere.

    If Al-Q moves the majority to Africa and attacks us from there, we should go seek them there.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You acknowledged yourself in saying that Obama said as a goal for victory "When we are sure they can't attack the United States."
    That's how The Obama defined our wartime goal. One must assume that of the goal is achieved, then so too has "victory".

    So if Al-Q steps it up a notch and attacks us with a group from say....Africa. Does that mean Afghanistan was a Victory? Does it mean it was a defeat?
    That depends - can they attack us from Afghanistan?
    What they can do from elsewhere doesn't really have bearing on Afghanistan, does it?

    Obama is absolutely right in saying that victory in Afghanistan is not necessarily a goal...
    It is -THE- goal, in Afghanistan.
    It is -A- goal in the broader war against terrorist groups.
    Different things.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The Obama defined this as when we are "sure they can't attack the United States."
    If that's what he meant by victory I sure as hell hope we don't stay in Afghanistan until this is true. They can attack us as long as they have access to a couple of sticks of dynamite.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That's how The Obama defined our wartime goal. One must assume that of the goal is achieved, then so too has "victory".
    No, because that goal may NEVER be achieved, therefore never a victory. That is why calling it the "War on terror" is such a dumb phrase.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    It is -THE- goal, in Afghanistan.
    It is -A- goal in the broader war against terrorist groups.
    Different things.
    Obama is not wanting this to be the be all end all on the battle against terror. Causing Al-Q to dig deeper in Afghanistan while moving the majority to Africa let's say does mean that America has a victory in Afghanistan nor a defeat. Yet we may withdrawal the majority of forces from Afghanistan to fight them elsewhere.

    There may NEVER be a complete victory in Afghanistan.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No, because that goal may NEVER be achieved, therefore never a victory.
    That's always a possiblity, regardless of who you're fighting or where.
    But, I'm not sure how you can argue that defining your goal as X and then achieving X is not 'victory', so long as your goal us sound.

    Obama is not wanting this to be the be all end all on the battle against terror.
    The Obama DID, however, place considerable importance on Afghanistan during and since the campaign. I'll look for quotes to that effect...

    Causing Al-Q to dig deeper in Afghanistan while moving the majority to Africa let's say does mean that America has a victory in Afghanistan nor a defeat.
    I know. That was my point.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Sorry, I just don't have time to compile a Regional Assessment of the Middle East for you. Maybe later.



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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Houston, we have problem,Did you have suicide pills,Our mission was a failure but I like to think it was a successful Our mission was a failure i think.

    A get tae ****,thro the taliban in the dustbin where they belong for ever.

    how to do it is this,just give them money,like this $100000000000000,just buy them out.They will be happy as larry,plus the dope,what more can they ask for.

    ****ing Maggots as they are,or if they are willing to still play,

    Hiroshima all over again.

    God bless America

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So can you please tell us, what "non-victory" is and what it entails?
    This is the question you've been repeating over and over. If it made any sense I might try to answer it. As it is, there is clearly no Right Answer.

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