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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post


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    For now the Government does.
    Brown will not always be in power and the polls show people already want the same thing i do. How long can a Government last against public opinion with a election in less than a year?

    Terror spares Germany just fine, and France and the other 20 other European countries. Omg, it is just a coincidence those are the countries that are not in Iraq and Afghanistan. I guess it was just mere chance we get blown up by people quoting Iraq and foreign policy as the reason
    Terror didn't spare Indonesia.
    Is Indonesia fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan?
    Your logic is, pure and simple, screwed up.
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    They will be skinned alive and honor killed anyway. Whether our soldiers are there or not
    You cannot change centuries of mentality and a thinking like that in a matter of years
    Thats if you confuse the mentality of the Taliban with the mentality of Afgans as a whole. Girls were educated under the Democratic Republic of Agfanistan (1978-1992) so its not as if these concepts are entirely foriegn to them. Its also worth bearing in mind that it was the Afgans that helped to overthrow [having been fighting against it since the mid 90s] the taliban and its the Afgans who voted for the government that we,re defending.

    The fact that the Afgans voted for a government that has made extending education to girls a state policy would surgest that public opionion in Afganistan isnt as simple as many make it out to be.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    As noted:
    I accept your continued refusal to prove your claim as an admission that you know you cannot.
    Thanks for playing.
    Then you obviously cannot or did not read.
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Then you obviously cannot or did not read.
    No, I ovviously did:

    I obviously saw you make a claim;
    I obviously asked you to support it;
    I obviously saw you try to weasel out of doing so by saying 'look it up';
    I obviously took that as you admitting that you could not support your claim.

    And so, as you have conceded the point, the dicussion is over.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I see that you are still caught up in the last administration catch phrases....I thought that "Mission" was already "Accomplished"
    Well to be honest it was, both Saddam and the Taliban were removed from governance and their main military forces were defeated.
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I see that you are still caught up in the last administration catch phrases
    Given that The Obama said several of the same things that GWB did -- and you are supporing him doing so -- it appears that both you and He are "caught up in the last administration catch phrases" as well.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The Troops need a leader not a cheerLEADER.



    Sadly, they have neither.
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    So, the Messiah refuses to define victory because that would require him to have a strategy to get there.

    Since there is no definition of "victory" applied to this conflict, it's clear that under the Kenyan-in-Chief, all US forces should be withdrawn. If the K-in-C can't articulate the goals, he should not be placing men in harm's way to get shot at for no purpose.

    Yet, the Messiah makes no mention of any plans for immediate withdrawal of the troops.

    Until a definite "victory" is defined, all US deaths are murdered by the President.

    Oh, and btw, Hirohito didn't sign the surrender documents. Duh. We're going to miss Jimmy Carter, the Idiot President, before this doltish Messiah is done hurting us.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well i think the point that hes making is that victory is difficult to define.
    But it's not hard at all.

    Victory can be defined as the establishment of a stable constitutional democratic republic that recognizes and protects the basic human rights of the people in Afghanistan.

    Bush managed to have that process almost complet in Iraq before he left office, something that, no doubt, the Messiah is going to try to take credit for.

    It may be difficult to achieve that victory, but it wasn't hard to define. Took me all of thirty seconds to type it.

    Failing that, victory could be defined as the complete sterilization of the geographical region known as Afghanistan, to the final salting of the croplands with strontium-90 and cobalt-60.

    Depends on which way we need to go.

    BUT...if the definition of victory is not provided, and since the Boy Wonder Messiah brought the issue up, he is indeed, as Kenyan-in-Chief Messiah, obligated to either define the goals or get the Americans the hell out of there. In either case the failure is not America's, but Kenya's.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    our goal is to make sure they can't attack the United States.
    What has the Messiah done to achieve that goal?

    How can that goal be said to have been achieved when your Messiah, like the two liberal boobs before him, utterly refuses to close the damn border with Mexico, thus leaving a 1500 mile long back-door wide open to any terrorist thug seeking an opportunity?

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