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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Forgive me but it's quite silly to risk the nation for the sake of its soldiers.
    Soldiers serve the nation in order to protect it, and not the other way around.
    I'll risk the entire ME. Like i care

    Soldier serve to protect UK. Afghanistan is not Britain. They should not be protecting anyone apart from us.


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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Pick up a history book.
    So long as you refuse to address what I said, I will be happy to repeat it:

    That others have failed in no way necessitates that someone else will; according to your reasoning, the Panama Canal should never have been built

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Afghanistan's cultural, ethnic and tribal divides mean that it will never have a fully functional, accepted central government. They'd have to unite and defeat all the separate tribal forces and thats proved quite difficult, almost ridiculously so, in the past. Even if you DO beat them you have to comprehend the fact the most Afghans have tribal and not national loyalities. The PDPA tried and failed and they had waaaay more manpower.
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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    One way or the other, you cannot decide whether this little war will be a victory or a failure before it's even close to the end.
    Brown is on the edge, if the British withdraw troops (which the British people do want occur) then where will US go next? Does it have the money to fund this war for years to come? It is up **** creek, its economy is in ruins. How much is it in debt by?
    How much are Americans willing to sacrifice for something not even certain to result in a victory? How much are the British and allied forces? We do not have the will to continue this war for as long as is necessary nor do we have the manpower or funding.


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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I'll risk the entire ME. Like i care

    Soldier serve to protect UK. Afghanistan is not Britain. They should not be protecting anyone apart from us.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058153704

    The goal is to defend the US from the ****ers, not to defend Afghanistan from its own people.
    By securing Afghanistan from terrorism, you defend your nation from Afghanistan's terrorists.
    "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    By securing Afghanistan from terrorism, you defend your nation from Afghanistan's terrorists.
    The goal is to defend the US
    We are not US.
    It was not UK under threat from anyone. Hell we should have taken a leaf out of France and Germany


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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    What is victory?
    We will not defeat a ideology through guns and bombs. Everyone knows this. If making Al Qaeda and Taliban disappear is our idea of victory. We lose.
    Taliban and Al Qaeda are different. The Taliban are actual Afghanis, they are the citizens of a country. Most likely people who wear flip flops and walk past our soldiers patrolling but at night bring out the guns. It is them who are our goal.
    What we should do is build schools in the places we are 'occupying' and promote education. Build clean waters and roads. Show to them that it is much better our way than theirs. That is victory to me. If we weaken the ideology and its stranglehold, we can never destroy it
    Hang on im bit confused here. First your saying we should be building roads and schools and then we,re saying we should be pulling the troops out. Do you think we,ll be able to build schools if the taliban take over again? Also bear in mind that if the schools are teaching girls then its likely both the schools and those teaching in them wont meet a pleasant end if the Taliban is allowed to gain ground.

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    Afghanistan's cultural, ethnic and tribal divides mean that it will never have a fully functional, accepted central government. They'd have to unite and defeat all the separate tribal forces and thats proved quite difficult, almost ridiculously so, in the past. Even if you DO beat them you have to comprehend the fact the most Afghans have tribal and not national loyalities. The PDPA tried and failed and they had waaaay more manpower.
    I agree with some of your statements, but Afghanistan functioned quite well before the Soviet invasion, why can this not happen again if the Taliban is crushed?

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    We are not US.
    It was not UK under threat from anyone. Hell we should have taken a leaf out of France and Germany
    You share the naivety of Western Europe's leaders during the raise of Hitler, Laila.
    "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

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    Re: Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Hang on im bit confused here. First your saying we should be building roads and schools and then we,re saying we should be pulling the troops out. Do you think we,ll be able to build schools if the taliban take over again? Also bear in mind that if the schools are teaching girls then its likely both the schools and those teaching in them wont meet a pleasant end if the Taliban is allowed to gain ground.
    I don't think we should be in there.
    Do we need soldiers to build buildings? I thought we needed builders.
    But now we are there, might as well fund schools


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