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    Re: Obama Surprised by Controversy Over Remark About Arrest of Black Scholar

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    You have a point that had Gates acted more like an adult, everything would be fine and dandy. But I also have to consider that the officer could have just as easily been an adult and walked away. Gates should have controlled his temper, the officer should have walked away, and Obama should have just punted the question.
    There's no question that had those involved acted differently, we wouldn't be here discussing this nonsense

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    Re: Obama Defends Criticism of Cambridge Police in Arrest of Gates

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Just because a case was dropped does not mean there was no legal basis for the arrest. It means the DA declined to pursue prosecution--which is entirely his call to make.

    The only way you can conclude the officer was in the wrong was if you ignore everything except Gates' version of events. In the other recitations of events I have seen, the officer was amply justified in arresting Gates for disturbing the peace.
    Not the case at all. This wasn't just the prosecutor deciding to decline, the department issued a statement publicly acknowledging their missteps in this case.

    The elements of the crime that Gates was charged with were not met. The Massachusetts statute is quite clear that the offender has to have the purpose of alarming the public in order to be guilty of disorderly conduct (as it applies in this case based upon the officers report). That was not proven in this incident. The report was bush league. He tried to use a couple of catch phrases to satisfy the charge and it fell flat.

    If there was more to this case then the officer should have done a better job of documenting it. If you are going to charge a guy with tumultuous behavior that alarmed a group of citizens you had better damn well get one of the citizens to say they were alarmed, otherwise....0.
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    Re: Obama Surprised by Controversy Over Remark About Arrest of Black Scholar

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    Did Gates's behavior absolutely require that he be taken into custody? No, but anybody with half a brain knows you don't follow a cop outside (especially one that is in the process of leaving) while screaming and calling him/her names. Further, anyone with a modicum of self-respect and maturity doesn't resort to playing the race card when faced with the consequences of their moronic behavior. This was not a case of racial profiling. If Gates felt that the officer's actions were inappropriate, he should have dealt with it as an adult rather than disturbing his neighbors by throwing a public tantrum.

    The officer invited Gates to follow him out of the house if he wanted to continue speaking with him. The officer could have simply done the wise thing and leave. His business was done. Gates may be a loud mouthed asshole, but he didn't break any law.

    I hope the day doesn't come where we actually start arresting people out of their homes for saying things we don't like.
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    Re: Obama Surprised by Controversy Over Remark About Arrest of Black Scholar

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    The officer invited Gates to follow him out of the house if he wanted to continue speaking with him. The officer could have simply done the wise thing and leave. His business was done. Gates may be a loud mouthed asshole, but he didn't break any law.

    I hope the day doesn't come where we actually start arresting people out of their homes for saying things we don't like.
    I share that hope as well, and agree that the best course of action on both sides would have been to walk away/keep their mouths shut.

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    Re: Obama Surprised by Controversy Over Remark About Arrest of Black Scholar

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Yelling that the cop is a racist out in public does.
    No it does not. Not in and of itself. There have to be more factors present, and that is the problem with this case. They aren't there. Committing the act "in public" is not the same as alarming or annoying "the public."
    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    My bad dude, I forgot that you're an expert on the ins and outs of MA disorderly conduct laws.

    What was I thinking, daring to point out that you don't seem to know what the **** you're talking about. I mean, you said it plain and simple - the cop is wrong.
    The officer never provided evidence that there was a victim in the case. MA law is quite clear that the offender must, with purpose, engage in conduct that is a nuisance, annoyance, or alarms the public. The public does not include on duty police officers. The public includes everyone else. There is no victim in this case. Just the officers observation, which is only relevant if you have an actual member of the public making a complaint against Gates.

    The officer saying the onlookers "appeared alarmed" is not evidence that they were actually alarmed. No member of the public made an actual complaint. No victim, no crime.

    The officer should know the elements of the crime if he's going to arrest somebody for committing that crime. Had someone come up to the cops and said "that guy is really creating a problem, can you please calm him down?" Then you have your crime. But that didn't happen.

    It's very similar to a cop here or in many other states going by a house and hearing a loud stereo. That loud stereo could constitute a peace disturbance, but sans a complaint from a member of the public, the officer can't cite the offending party because a police officers peace cannot be disturbed while he is on duty. No victim, no crime.

    On duty cops are in almost all cases not considered part of "the public."
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    Re: Obama Surprised by Controversy Over Remark About Arrest of Black Scholar

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    I share that hope as well, and agree that the best course of action on both sides would have been to walk away/keep their mouths shut.
    Thank you, hitting the button is simply not sufficient.

    Acting like grownups is contagious.

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    Re: Obama Surprised by Controversy Over Remark About Arrest of Black Scholar

    Looks like Obama got separated from his teleprompter, which would have told him to make no comment, but as they were separated, O's old jerk of the knee reaction was to pull out the race card from the bottom of the deck once again.

    It's plain to see you can take Obama away from Rev. Wright but you can't take Rev. Wright out of Obama.

    I guess O believes the power of the presidency will protect him and make the common man crumble.

    Foolish is as foolish does.

    Hats off the the officer for holding his ground, and his colleagues that are setting the record straight about this man's character.

    It's high time Obama admit HIS remarks were stupid, he was badly infomed and apologize profusely.

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    Re: Obama Defends Criticism of Cambridge Police in Arrest of Gates

    Quote Originally Posted by metreon View Post
    It seems a bit of a stretch to arrest someone for disorderly conduct in their own home when that person exercises a legal right to verify the badge number of the police officer. Even if Gates was "uppity" about it, there is no law against being a jerk, since that right is protected by the 1st Amendment, especially in the privacy of one's own home.

    The presented facts are that when Gates let the police into his home, he did show them a couple of ID cards, license and Harvard ID (he lives in a Harvard house). Case closed. Unless there was a physical assault by Gates there would have been zero reason to arrest him. The case was fully dropped because it had no legal basis to proceed. That is the fact of the matter. Therefore the police officer acted stupidly, by definition, since he had no just cause for arrest.
    Okay, Mr. Omniscient. Whether Gates should have been arrested was debatable. I didn't read the police report and think, "No way should he have been arrested." I thought that the police officer could have walked away. Gates isn't a danger to society. He is a law-abiding citizen. Maybe Caine has already commented on this (our resident police officer), but charges get dropped all the time that have a legal basis. The police just CHOOSE to drop the charges because the facts aren't solid. This in no way means that there was "zero reason to arrest him." But you keep asserting your know-it-all facts.

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    Re: Obama Defends Criticism of Cambridge Police in Arrest of Gates

    Why Obama keeps commenting on a case where he doesn't fully understand the facts is beyond me. I saw a small interview with the police officer who arrested Gates. He pointed out he didn't vote for Obama (which I thought was dumb and looked defensive on his part), but I liked it when he said the President was commenting on local issues not knowing all the facts. That is how I feel. Based on listening to Obama alone, he makes it seem as though Gates was arrested in relation to breaking into his own place. STFU, Obama.

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    Re: Obama Defends Criticism of Cambridge Police in Arrest of Gates

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Not the case at all. This wasn't just the prosecutor deciding to decline, the department issued a statement publicly acknowledging their missteps in this case..


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