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    Re: Reid: No health care vote in Senate until fall

    I don't think Obama has to worry much about his opponents rallying the public against him.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/he...cy/21poll.html

    The Republicans are in short supply of political capital of any kind and after Bush people are skeptical of their normal campaign strategies, whether for runs at political office or for public support on political issues.
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    Re: Reid: No health care vote in Senate until fall

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I don't think Obama has to worry much about his opponents rallying the public against him.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/he...cy/21poll.html

    The Republicans are in short supply of political capital of any kind and after Bush people are skeptical of their normal campaign strategies, whether for runs at political office or for public support on political issues.
    Yeah, that was a month ago....before Henry Taxman started mucking around with taxing health benefits, taking away folks' insurance, rationing healthcare, and doing other fun uber-statist things.

    Besides, you haven't been paying attention (again). The Republicans are not the ones slowing the process down. It's all the Blue Dogs within Dear Leader's own party who refuse to join him in political suicide that are gumming up the works.

    The Blue Dogs flunk obedience school | Salon News

    As the White House tries to stir itself into action to keep Obama's chief domestic policy priority from going off the rails, the administration is finding that its biggest problem isn't Republicans. Sure, the GOP opposes the healthcare reform plans moving through Congress, but what else is new? The GOP has opposed everything Obama's tried to do in his first six months in office. The complaints the White House is trying to accommodate now are coming from conservative and moderate Democrats.

    In the House, a group of Blue Dogs have basically held legislation hostage, leveraging their numbers on the one committee in that chamber that has yet to pass a bill, the Energy and Commerce panel. In the Senate, Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus and a handful of moderate Democrats are engaged in painstaking, secretive talks with moderate Republicans in an effort to draft a proposal that might win bipartisan support. None of the senators involved in the talks would discuss them with reporters this afternoon, but they insisted they were doing the right thing. "What we're doing in this group is working very methodically," said Sen. Kent Conrad, a North Dakota Democrat who's pushing for "co-ops" instead of a government-run public health insurance option in the reform. "We're not impatient, we're trying to get this job done in the right way so it can stand review and stand scrutiny."
    Note the date: July 22, 2009. That's the state of healthcare "reform" as of yesterday.

    Your news is old news, and no longer accurate news.

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    Re: Reid: No health care vote in Senate until fall

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Perhaps it's a picture of how the R's see the current form of the bill?

    It may not exist as a bill yet, but assuredly, it does exist as a planned bill.

    Otherwise, what have they been doing for the last bit in congress?
    There are currently four divergent plans on the table with multiple possibilities for amendments. How can they even pretend to put something like this forward. It's a scam to scare people away from supporting it. All of us know it but only some will admit it.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: Reid: No health care vote in Senate until fall

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
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    This bill isn't before Congress?

    Is that your final answer? You don't want to use one of your lifelines?
    It is not a final bill. IF the GOP wants to be honest, they would title their little flow chart - "possibilities for a health care plan" or "this is what we think it might end up like." Give me a break. They are selling it as truth and you are defending that very lie.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: Reid: No health care vote in Senate until fall

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    There are currently four divergent plans on the table with multiple possibilities for amendments. How can they even pretend to put something like this forward. It's a scam to scare people away from supporting it. All of us know it but only some will admit it.
    There is one bill--HR3200.

    There is only one bill--HR3200.

    The one bill--HR3200--is being marked up by different committees. It is still just one bill.

    The chart accurately represents the one bill as it is today. It is the reality that would become law if the vote were taken today and the one bill--HR3200--passed the Congress.

    Reality is only a scare tactic only when pointed out to lunatic liberals.

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    Re: Reid: No health care vote in Senate until fall

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    It is not a final bill. IF the GOP wants to be honest, they would title their little flow chart - "possibilities for a health care plan" or "this is what we think it might end up like." Give me a break. They are selling it as truth and you are defending that very lie.
    There is no lie. You are (again) in error.

    If the vote were taken today, this one bill--HR3200--which I see you now concede does exist, as it is presently constructed, would become law. All the defects currently within the one bill--HR3200--would be made government regulation. That is the truth of this one bill--HR3200.

    As this one bill--HR3200--is constructed, it is a monstrous overblown government bureaucracy. It is ineffective and costly. It will do great harm to this nation's healthcare system as well as the economy. The chart demonstrates that.

    That is not a lie; that is the truth.

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