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    Re: Sergeant at eye of storm says he won't apologize

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    Again, everyone here is assuming the police never make mistakes or go overboard.

    I can only imagine if this had been your friend or relative arrested in their own home how the posts would be very different.
    I would have said "why didn't you just tell them who you were, you damn fool?"
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    Re: Sergeant at eye of storm says he won't apologize

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    Bull****. He was simply stating a fact.

    Anyone not authorized to be on WH grounds can and would be shot.

    Just last week a man was killed for getting too close.
    Washington: Armed man shot, killed near Capitol - Topix


    oh this was a serious retort on your part. are you suggesting he wasn't claiming his blackness would be a factor? Did you listen or read the whole exchange?

    How you "True Believers" turn a blind eye to your guy, is astounding.
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    Re: Sergeant at eye of storm says he won't apologize

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That's the whole point, if you don't act like a suspect, the majority of the police won't treat you like one. How hard is it really to take the police at their word that they are following up on a disturbance call and say "my neighbor is mistaken, here's my I.D. and we're all good here."?
    Indeed, the countless times i have been stopped and searched. You just explain, exchange pleasantries and move on. I wonder if i cried racism, how far i would get.
    The bobbie would probably just laugh at me and walk on


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    Re: Sergeant at eye of storm says he won't apologize

    Agree 100%. His implication was that he, the President, would have been shot because he was black. No question about it.

    If you refuse to see that, ask yourself why.
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    Re: Sergeant at eye of storm says he won't apologize

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Obama made a comment that had he lost the keys to the white house or something, that "he would be shot"....

    Classic American sharpton level race baiting. One would think our President would be above that.
    He would be shot? Should a leader be wading into a issue below him?

    Sad that some in US haven't moved on with racism. I'm sure there are racist cops in US as there is in every country but by crying 'racist' at everything, you demean the word and other people who actually do face genuine racism.


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    Re: Sergeant at eye of storm says he won't apologize

    You may read the actual POLICE report and see there is nothing to apologize to the RACIST Prof. Gates for.
    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/Police%2...s%20arrest.PDF

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    Re: Sergeant at eye of storm says he won't apologize

    Read page two, the irony here is hilarious! :


    Henry Louis Gates, Jr. Police Report - July 23, 2009


    When they handcuffed him, the officer asked Gates if he wanted him to lock his door, too which he replied, it doesn't lock because of a previous break in....


    Gates is an asshole and quite frankly the cop was too nice....
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    Re: Sergeant at eye of storm says he won't apologize

    I admin I don't know all the facts in this particular case, but my coworker and I - myself being an African American and my coworker being a female Hispanic - both agreed that based on what we know of the situation and our own experiences with local law enforcement there could have been some racial profiling by the Hartford PD. That said, we both agreed that it was the responsibility of Mr. Gates to first be as cooperative as possible in order to not escalate the matter further.

    While it is true that the police were doing their job in responding to a report of a breakin, we really don't know what events led to the situation turning from "civil" to "civil unrest". I've heard two-sides to this story: 1) that the police kicked the door in; to 2) they were let in by Mr. Gates who "reluctantly" presented his driver's license. In the first case, you have the police storming the place while Mr. Gates was already in his home. I can see someone being un-nerved by such action especially if they've been harrased by the police in the past (not saying he was...just trying to paint a broader picture as to why Mr. Gates may have been resistant), but his first response should have been to follow police instructions until he could be properly identified no matter what his past dealing with police authority had been previously. In the second, one has to ask why he was reluctant. Again, if he had experience previous misgiving w/the Hartford PD, I'd understand him giving them a hard time. But, that still doesn't excuse him from being uncooperative upon learning that the police were simply responding to an attempted burglery call to his home.

    Myself and my coworker being minorities and being victims of what we believe were incidents of racial profiling can understand (hyperthetically) why Mr. Gates would have been uncooperative, but we also honestly believe that based on what we know of the situation, Mr. Gates could have conducted himself better. Regardless, the full story doesn't appear to be out yet. Thus, I'm sure there were mistakes made on both sides.

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    Re: Sergeant at eye of storm says he won't apologize

    uhm, the police report is linked in my post.

    The report mentions a plethora of witnesses, and this Gates loon acted beligerent.
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    Re: Sergeant at eye of storm says he won't apologize

    Quote Originally Posted by galenrox View Post
    I don't dismiss that the only reason the cops were at his door was because he's black. I've broken into my own apartment before because I was locked out, I've broken into my parents' house because I was locked out, I've done it pretty openly, and no one who ever saw me doing it thought I was a burglar. And I assume that the fact he was black played a role in the person calling the cops and saying that he might be a burglar.
    The cops didn't do anything wrong, and I'd probably just understand that and be on my way, but that said, I'm white. It's very hard to claim that my visceral reaction would be the same if I was black, the bulk of my research focused on the treatments of blacks, and I worked extremely hard to become a professor at Harvard. It wasn't the logical response, but it was a legitimate emotional response.

    President Obama owes the police officer an apology. President Obama was wrong for saying what he said. Similarly, it would be helpful if the police officer at least acknowledged that he understands why Gates responded the way he did. It would also be good if Gates chilled out and recognized that wedging his own door open looks a lot like someone else wedging his door open.


    Like I said, I had someone call the cops on me, "breaking in" my house once. I didn't act like a fool when they showed up.


    It wasn't my whiteness that caused them ease, hell I think I was wearing a flight jacket and a skull cap that night..... but I presented them my id, thanked them for their diligence and sent them on thier way.....


    Perhaps I should have screamed at them and refused to show ID.... That would have been the smarter thing to do as a white man.
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