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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Oh God Mr. Slippery Slope. YOU'RE BREATHING. HITLER BREATHED. YOU'RE HITLER!!
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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Good grief. This is the like the Monkey Sticks phenomenon where one monkey will figure out how to do something clever, and then suddenly unrelated monkeys all over the place will start to do the same thing. Except here, it's the Liberal Sticks where one liberal will come up with a bizarre argument -- that you're not allowed to criticize a bill until it's in "final form" -- and then the rest pick up on it.

    This is a stupid non-argument. If it accurately reflects a bill, then it's NOT misleading, even if there are competing VERSIONS of the bill out there.

    I can't IMAGINE any of you ever making this argument about criticizing a Republican-sponsored bill in a Republican Congress, and indeed, you'd laugh at anyone making it.

    This is simply asinine.
    Criticizing parts of the bill that have been voted on but not passed is fine! But making a chart of a bill that doesn't exist isn't. It's a lie. i don't get what you don't understand about that. It's pretty damn simple.

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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Criticizing parts of the bill that have been voted on but not passed is fine! But making a chart of a bill that doesn't exist isn't. It's a lie. i don't get what you don't understand about that. It's pretty damn simple.
    Informing people of what is currently in the bill(s) is exactly what our Congressman should be doing, and doing it more often. That allows people to provide their perspective on what a final bill should or should not contain.

    We should have more congressman like these.
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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Criticizing parts of the bill that have been voted on but not passed is fine! But making a chart of a bill that doesn't exist isn't. It's a lie. i don't get what you don't understand about that. It's pretty damn simple.
    Umm....once a bill has been voted on, if it doesn't pass it's defeated. Why would there be a need to criticize a defeated bill?

    As for the bill not existing:
    H.R.3200: America's Affordable Health Choices... OpenCongress

    HR3200 is most certainly a bill, it most certainly does exist, and it most certainly aspires to be "healthcare reform" legislation.

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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Umm....once a bill has been voted on, if it doesn't pass it's defeated. Why would there be a need to criticize a defeated bill?

    As for the bill not existing:
    H.R.3200: America's Affordable Health Choices... OpenCongress

    HR3200 is most certainly a bill, it most certainly does exist, and it most certainly aspires to be "healthcare reform" legislation.
    That was so logical I am sure that formerroadie will find it illogical. Took the words right out of my mouth.

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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    1 - there is no health care plan, so how could the Repugs have formulated a diagram of it?

    2 - if it doesn't exist and they claim it does, "misleading" is a charitible word. What it is is a lie

    3 - I am not "carrying anyone's water". I am a Democrat on a mainly Ditto-head debate forum, representing the majority of Americans who support the Obama administration

    4 - The economy has already begun heading "out of the crapper", but it will take at least a couple of years until we no longer smell the stench of the Republican administration.
    So basically no answer AS USUAL FOR YOU. FAIL.
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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    3 - I am not "carrying anyone's water". I am a Democrat on a mainly Ditto-head debate forum, representing the majority of Americans who support the Obama administration
    If you are representing people who support Obama....

    Seriously though, the majority of Americans are against Obama's health plan. That you say doesn't exist even though there is a bill for it...
    More Disapprove Than Approve of Obama on Healthcare

    According to Gallup, 44% of Americans approve of the plan, and 50% disagree with it. Both independents and Republicans disagree with it more than agree with the. Democrats are the only ones who agree with it, and 17% of them (higher percentage than the number of U.S. citizens without healthcare) disagree with it.

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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    If you are representing people who support Obama....

    Seriously though, the majority of Americans are against Obama's health plan. That you say doesn't exist even though there is a bill for it...
    More Disapprove Than Approve of Obama on Healthcare

    According to Gallup, 44% of Americans approve of the plan, and 50% disagree with it. Both independents and Republicans disagree with it more than agree with the. Democrats are the only ones who agree with it, and 17% of them (higher percentage than the number of U.S. citizens without healthcare) disagree with it.
    Will is just blowing smoke.
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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Criticizing parts of the bill that have been voted on but not passed is fine! But making a chart of a bill that doesn't exist isn't. It's a lie. i don't get what you don't understand about that. It's pretty damn simple.
    What's "pretty damn simple" is that 1) I linked you to the bill:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058152481

    . . . so it does indeed exist, and 2) if you think you have deny the very existence of something just to avoid criticism of it, that's just plain sad.

    If you think the chart is inaccurate, point out where and how, with detail.
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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    I agree, but the right wingers have a tendency not to discuss specifics in a bill but rather spread rumors, lies, and make over the top comments in order to scare the public. It's their MO.



    Can you name a few specifics in the bill?
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