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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Who's "pretending" anything? They're criticizing the bill as it exists now, exactly as they should.

    This really is amazing, actually. "You can't criticize this!!!! It's not even the law!!! Wait until is before you open your big fat yap!!!"
    Well, when your criticisms actually site the bill and make specific comments about specific quotes from it, you let me know.

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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Ok, let's start with this:

    Ezra Klein - When Health-Care Reform Stops Being Polite and Starts Making Charts

    Then:

    Dueling Health Care Flow Charts: Reality vs. GOP Propaganda | Crooks and Liars

    Also it's the same crap they pulled during the Clinton years. They pass on a misleading chart that scared people because it was hopelessly convoluted. It explains nothing but the fact that the GOP is trying to scare people into their mentality and the keeping of the status quo, which is not working:

    One more link:

    Republican Go Back to Old Playbook with Anti-Health Care Reform Charts | The Stimulist
    They don't say there's anything factually wrong with it. They just say it's not "scary."

    So, that's what "misleading" means? Accurate, but just not scary enough?
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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Well, when your criticisms actually site the bill and make specific comments about specific quotes from it, you let me know.
    This is about the Republicans' chart, not "my" criticisms. Anything specific about it you care to dispute?

    Nice attempt at deflection, but not being a moron, I'm not biting.
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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The relevant point is that the Anti-Republicans are seeking to deny to the minority party a privilege that by law extends to all members of Congress.

    So you are ok with there being one standard of law for Anti-Republicans and another standard for the rest of America?

    Nice to know Anti-Republicans are more equal than the rest of us, Squealer.
    And which law would it be that is being broken? Can you point to exact cite in either the USC or US Constitution for us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This is about the Republicans' chart, not "my" criticisms. Anything specific about it you care to dispute?

    Nice attempt at deflection, but not being a moron, I'm not biting.
    The entire chart is absolutely misleading. There isnt a final bill being debated. In fact as of right now there are 4 different bills being created. So why should the GOP be allowed to send a "chart" that doesnt even reflect all bills being considered. When did we start to support government waste again?
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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Ok, let's start with this:

    Ezra Klein - When Health-Care Reform Stops Being Polite and Starts Making Charts

    Then:

    Dueling Health Care Flow Charts: Reality vs. GOP Propaganda | Crooks and Liars

    Also it's the same crap they pulled during the Clinton years. They pass on a misleading chart that scared people because it was hopelessly convoluted. It explains nothing but the fact that the GOP is trying to scare people into their mentality and the keeping of the status quo, which is not working:

    One more link:

    Republican Go Back to Old Playbook with Anti-Health Care Reform Charts | The Stimulist
    Ummm....none of those links claim there's anything untrue in the chart. In fact, Ezra Klein seemed to poo-poo the chart:
    Which leaves this chart in a bit of a weird position: Those who don't read it won't be able to understand it. And those who do read it won't be scared by it. All in all, a less than intimidating outing from the minority leader's office.
    Ezra Klein's assessment of the chart indicates the chart is accurate (and therefore honest), and thus his article proves my statement and discredits yours.

    Remember, this is the statement of mine you are attempting (and thus far failing) to rebut:
    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    There were no lies in that chart. If there were lies, you would be pointing them out, not attempting to shoot the messenger.
    Back to you. Where are are the lies?

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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    What good? Can you even name anything good the last decade?
    The Dept of Homeland Security comes to mind immediately. Deep tax cuts. Expanding our role in the AIDS crisis in Africa. Should I keep going?

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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    So you don't care if Congressmen send out lies using taxpayer money as long as they are Republicans? Here is what they wanted to send out, a fictitious "chart" supposedly representing the "Democratic health care plan". It's all made up, of course, and if the Republicans had been allowed to send it out, taxpayers would have paid for it.

    So what you're saying is that the GOP has to have their mail checked by their masters before is can be allowed out the door.

    Does your demand remind you of any special kinds of recurrent oppressive (ie, liberal) societies most notable for driving the history of the Twentieth Century?

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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Ummm....none of those links claim there's anything untrue in the chart. In fact, Ezra Klein seemed to poo-poo the chart:
    Ezra Klein's assessment of the chart indicates the chart is accurate (and therefore honest), and thus his article proves my statement and discredits yours.

    Remember, this is the statement of mine you are attempting (and thus far failing) to rebut:

    Back to you. Where are are the lies?
    Did you read Freethinker's post or just skip it cuz it made sense? The fact is, the chart doesn't represent any bill that is completed on the floor. how can they make a chart of a health care plan that doesn't exist as a completed plan? Only pieces of the plan are passed and only in one part of the Congress. It's all a lie because what they are charting doesn't exist as a comprehensive, in tact bill let alone the ideas that are not represented in the chart that are up for discussion.

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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The Dept of Homeland Security comes to mind immediately.
    Department of Homeland Security is an epic example of government waste. This is a department that should be dismantled and the duties handed back over to the CIA and the FBI which in fact did the job quite well since there creation. What purpose does homeland security serve that the FBI nor CIA could do as they have done before?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Deep tax cuts.
    Yes, adding TRILLIONS of dollars to the national debt is a good thing. So much for fiscal conservation.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Expanding our role in the AIDS crisis in Africa
    Yes, all hail the expanding policies of interventionism. We should have put that money to use right here in the US we have our own citizens dying of AIDS. Screw these other countries AMERICANS FIRST.

    Please do keep going, this should be interesting.
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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    There were no lies in that chart. If there were lies, you would be pointing them out, not attempting to shoot the messenger.
    we're not "pointing them out" because we don't understand the graph, we're not supposed to. That's the point.

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