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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    The right only wants propaganda sent out if it is from the Republicans and it matters not how truthful it is. In fact, the most cited recourse from the right wingers is the Lewin Group. Most numbers and opposition to the entire process are based on the Lewin Group's "research." What the GOP doesn't tell you is, the Lewing Group is owned by one of the largest Health Insurance Agencies in the nation. Oh, there's no conflict of interest there.... never. Furthermore, the Republicans pick and choose what to release from the Lewin Group's studies, leaving out critical information. This is all reported in the Washington Post, a conservative leaning paper. What does that say about said pamphlet going out? I know I know, the Republicans will use whatever "information" they can to squash this for the American people no matter how false their information is, but I would hope conservative leaning citizens wouldn't put up with it. I guess I was wrong.
    There were no lies in that chart. If there were lies, you would be pointing them out, not attempting to shoot the messenger.

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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    I'm curious what you people don't get about this: there is no final draft to vote on yet. It doesn't exist. It's still in committees and therefore doesn't exist as of yet. What is it about that you don't understand?
    Doesn't exist yet, eh?

    Nothing to talk about yet, eh?

    Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

    You seem to be saying that no discussion, debate, or criticism of anything is legitimate until it's already the law.

    This, of course, is just obscene Obama toadyism.
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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Doesn't exist yet, eh?

    Nothing to talk about yet, eh?

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    You seem to be saying that no discussion, debate, or criticism of anything is legitimate until it's already the law.

    This, of course, is just obscene Obama toadyism.
    Then debate about specifics in the law rather than trashing the whole thing. What is clear is, the right doesn't want it to pass so the Republicans can move back into power, plain and simple.

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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    So if there's no plan what was the vote that got delayed all about?
    There is no final draft to vote on.

    The delay is to give them more time to figure out what it will be, if anything.
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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Then debate about specifics in the law rather than trashing the whole thing. What is clear is, the right doesn't want it to pass so the Republicans can move back into power, plain and simple.
    Or, they don't want it to pass because they think it's a bad idea, and a bad bill.

    Besides, the chart they made up is VERY MUCH about "the specifics" in the bill.
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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    I'm curious what you people don't get about this: there is no final draft to vote on yet. It doesn't exist. It's still in committees and therefore doesn't exist as of yet. What is it about that you don't understand?
    There is a plan getting through committees that could become the final version, or key parts of it could. That is the only version that is available, and if someone disagrees with it, they should speak up.... preferably the people who will vote on it. That is how our system of creating a bill works.
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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Doesn't exist yet, eh?

    Nothing to talk about yet, eh?

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    You seem to be saying that no discussion, debate, or criticism of anything is legitimate until it's already the law.

    This, of course, is just obscene Obama toadyism.
    Yes, it's fine to criticize it, but don't pretend like it will be in the final bill. This is the House Bill and the Senate has to approve it too and will probably modify it. Knowing is half the battle!

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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    There were no lies in that chart. If there were lies, you would be pointing them out, not attempting to shoot the messenger.
    Ok, let's start with this:

    Ezra Klein - When Health-Care Reform Stops Being Polite and Starts Making Charts

    Then:

    Dueling Health Care Flow Charts: Reality vs. GOP Propaganda | Crooks and Liars

    Also it's the same crap they pulled during the Clinton years. They pass on a misleading chart that scared people because it was hopelessly convoluted. It explains nothing but the fact that the GOP is trying to scare people into their mentality and the keeping of the status quo, which is not working:

    One more link:

    Republican Go Back to Old Playbook with Anti-Health Care Reform Charts | The Stimulist

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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Yes, it's fine to criticize it, but don't pretend like it will be in the final bill. This is the House Bill and the Senate has to approve it too and will probably modify it. Knowing is half the battle!
    Who's "pretending" anything? They're criticizing the bill as it exists now, exactly as they should.

    This really is amazing, actually. "You can't criticize this!!!! It's not even the law!!! Wait until is before you open your big fat yap!!!"
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    Re: Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    There is a plan getting through committees that could become the final version, or key parts of it could. That is the only version that is available, and if someone disagrees with it, they should speak up.... preferably the people who will vote on it. That is how our system of creating a bill works.
    I agree, but the right wingers have a tendency not to discuss specifics in a bill but rather spread rumors, lies, and make over the top comments in order to scare the public. It's their MO.

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