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    Re: Venezuela 'fuelling drugs trade'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    It is our business because legal drugs are much more available to children than those that are illegal.
    Not in my experience. When I was in high school pot and coke were FAR easier to get than beer. Although you could get that, too. People were actually afraid to buy beer for you. But no drug dealer cared. So I don't think your position is true.

    How often do kids smoke, or sneak into the liquor cabinet. If the parents are hooked on the substance, then the children of such losers will be more apt to become hooked as well. That is societies business.
    If you hook your kid on beer or prescription drugs it's illegal. Same would go for anything else.
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    Re: Venezuela 'fuelling drugs trade'

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Not in my experience. When I was in high school pot and coke were FAR easier to get than beer. Although you could get that, too. People were actually afraid to buy beer for you. But no drug dealer cared. So I don't think your position is true.



    If you hook your kid on beer or prescription drugs it's illegal. Same would go for anything else.
    Yes, but the point is the damage done from meth use is 100x worse than that from smoking cigarettes, pot, or alcohol. So by the time anyone finds out that the child is using, the damage is done.

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    Re: Venezuela 'fuelling drugs trade'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Yes, but the point is the damage done from meth use is 100x worse than that from smoking cigarettes, pot, or alcohol. So by the time anyone finds out that the child is using, the damage is done.

    Kids all over America are on meth. And next to none, I'm guessing, got the meth from mom and dad. So I don't see how legal or illegal even comes into play here. If kids want meth they can and will get meth. And it's EASIER to get meth in particular if its illegal! Because while most parents drink, next to none would use meth. So they would not have the easy access they do now. Legitimate stores don't sell drugs to kids. Dealers do. That's why we have a meth problem!
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    Re: Venezuela 'fuelling drugs trade'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    No, and I understand your point, but heroine and meth use cause rapid deterioration of the body. Also, alcohol production is strictly controlled, whereas anyone can produce meth in their home.
    Alcohol production is strictly controlled because it is legal.

    I don't know the particulars of making meth, but they use hazmat teams to clean up after the labs. No such precautions are necessary for cleaning up from making your own alcohol. I strongly suspect that making alcohol is substantially simpler than making meth. Bathtub gin was quite popular for a time iirc.
    So I don't think that part of your argument holds water.

    The bit about the deterioration of the body is a different issue. It's quite likely that only abuse of these chemicals causes 'rapid deterioration'. We have children who are being prescribed amphetamines on a daily basis and they seem to still grow up.
    Alcohol abuse also causes deterioration of the body.

    But the relative speed of deterioration etc is really a side point.

    What I was saying was that legalization is not the same as saying it's okay to abuse it.
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    Re: Venezuela 'fuelling drugs trade'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Yes, but the point is the damage done from meth use is 100x worse than that from smoking cigarettes, pot, or alcohol. So by the time anyone finds out that the child is using, the damage is done.
    Their doctors give children amphetamine salts to take daily for years at a time. Adderall and Ritalin etc.

    The 100x worse thing is a red herring.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Venezuela 'fuelling drugs trade'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Their doctors give children amphetamine salts to take daily for years at a time. Adderall and Ritalin etc.

    The 100x worse thing is a red herring.
    The only red herring is your comparison of amphetamine salts and crystal meth. I know, do an experiment and start using crystal meth, then tell us how safe it is and there should be no concern. Or better yet, give your kids some!

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    Re: Venezuela 'fuelling drugs trade'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Alcohol production is strictly controlled because it is legal.

    I don't know the particulars of making meth, but they use hazmat teams to clean up after the labs. No such precautions are necessary for cleaning up from making your own alcohol. I strongly suspect that making alcohol is substantially simpler than making meth. Bathtub gin was quite popular for a time iirc.
    It's easy. Alcohol pretty much makes itself! Clean up for my beer making operation is soap, water and some diluted bleach. No haz mat suit needed.
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    Re: Venezuela 'fuelling drugs trade'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    The only red herring is your comparison of amphetamine salts and crystal meth. I know, do an experiment and start using crystal meth, then tell us how safe it is and there should be no concern. Or better yet, give your kids some!
    Actually, he'd likely have to ask his kids where to get it. Thanks to your laws making it so available to them.
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    Re: Venezuela 'fuelling drugs trade'

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Actually, he'd likely have to ask his kids where to get it. Thanks to your laws making it so available to them.
    I didn't mean for you to actually try it right now Stekim!! It is already effecting your arguments.

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    Re: Venezuela 'fuelling drugs trade'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I didn't mean for you to actually try it right now Stekim!! It is already effecting your arguments.
    What are you talking about? Meth is as easy for kids to get as Ritalin. And they don't even need a doctor's note.
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