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    US 'ready to boost Gulf defence'

    BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | US 'ready to boost Gulf defence'

    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says the US is prepared to bolster the defence of its Gulf allies if Iran develops a nuclear weapons programme.

    Mrs Clinton said if the US extended a "defence umbrella" over the region, it was unlikely that Iran would be any stronger or safer having a weapon.

    She was speaking in Thailand where she is attending a regional summit.

    On North Korea, she said it must agree to "irreversible" denuclearisation before returning to multilateral talks.

    "We have made it very clear to the North Koreans that if they will agree to irreversible denuclearisation, the United States as well as our partners will move forward on a package of incentives and opportunities including normalising relations," she told a press conference in the Thai resort of Phuket.
    So what do you guys think? Is Clinton right, in that Iran will be less safe by developing nuclear weapons? John Mersheimer, the leading Neorealist in IR, has asserted for years that all nations should have nuclear weapons in order to end such weapons as an option. I feel this is quite an ignorant view, because it assumes rational players, and one may easily see that many in the ME, as well as North Korea, do not possess rational leaders. What are your thoughts?

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    Re: US 'ready to boost Gulf defence'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | US 'ready to boost Gulf defence'



    So what do you guys think? Is Clinton right, in that Iran will be less safe by developing nuclear weapons? John Mersheimer, the leading Neorealist in IR, has asserted for years that all nations should have nuclear weapons in order to end such weapons as an option. I feel this is quite an ignorant view, because it assumes rational players, and one may easily see that many in the ME, as well as North Korea, do not possess rational leaders. What are your thoughts?
    Nuclear weapons add danger, not safety. That was proven in the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    The problem is, they also add power--diplomatic as well as military.

    Some nations decide the tradeoff is worth it.

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    Re: US 'ready to boost Gulf defence'

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Nuclear weapons add danger, not safety. That was proven in the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    The problem is, they also add power--diplomatic as well as military.

    Some nations decide the tradeoff is worth it.
    My question is, will Iran gaining the nuclear bomb create an arms race in the region? Will Saudi Arabia have to have one, then Iraq,....etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    My question is, will Iran gaining the nuclear bomb create an arms race in the region? Will Saudi Arabia have to have one, then Iraq,....etc?
    That's not a question, that's a certainty.

    We developed nuclear weapons because Nazi Germany was pursuing them.

    The Soviet Union pursued nuclear weapons because we had them.

    China pursued nuclear weapons because of the United States and the Soviet Union.

    Pakistan and India pursued nuclear weapons because the other was doing so.

    Once Iran has a bomb, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan will all start looking for ways to nuclearize.

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    Re: US 'ready to boost Gulf defence'

    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says the US is prepared to bolster the defence of its Gulf allies if Iran develops a nuclear weapons programme.
    With what money?

    Saudi arabia has spent billions over the years building up its weapons supply, let it defend itself.


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    Re: US 'ready to boost Gulf defence'

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Once Iran has a bomb, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan will all start looking for ways to nuclearize.
    Iran is getting it partly because Israel has it.

    Not that i blame Iran.
    If i was a leader and US invaded two neighbouring countries of mine - one of them on pure spite, i'd be looking for one too incase they fix an eye on me.
    The only way Iran will give it up if there is a iron clad agreement it will not be harmed and all other nukes in the region is removed or declared.
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    Re: US 'ready to boost Gulf defence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Iran is getting it partly because Israel has it.
    Entirely incorrect.
    Iran has started its nuclear problem while Israel was on a very good relations with it.
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    Re: US 'ready to boost Gulf defence'

    Nuclear weapons are fairly basic devices, easy to make. It is foolish to try to stop nations from building their own, the attempt will only damage relations. Every nation that has nukes, Pakistan included, has been very responsible in not using them for idle threats, and no one has used a nuke in combat except the US. The risk is not that every country could have a bomb, but that terrorists could get bombs. A terrorist nuke set off in Times Square or DC would be a world-changing event. Rather than alienate nations by trying to stop them from acquiring weapons, we should be building a solid international community determined to deny nuclear weapons from terrorists.

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    Re: US 'ready to boost Gulf defence'

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    That's not a question, that's a certainty.

    We developed nuclear weapons because Nazi Germany was pursuing them.

    The Soviet Union pursued nuclear weapons because we had them.

    China pursued nuclear weapons because of the United States and the Soviet Union.

    Pakistan and India pursued nuclear weapons because the other was doing so.

    Once Iran has a bomb, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan will all start looking for ways to nuclearize.
    Just a little correction, Syria has already tried.
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    Re: US 'ready to boost Gulf defence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Entirely incorrect.
    Iran has started its nuclear problem while Israel was on a very good relations with it.
    True but i don't think it helps situation that a country inside this region has such weapons.
    If Iran gets it, Saudi arabia will want it and so will Egypt and Syria.

    I say we strip every country in that region of any chance to posess such weapons until it has at least a few years of collective peace.


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