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    Re: White House declines to disclose visits by health industry executives

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    You are incorrect, IMO.

    Politicians should not be treated like ordinary citizens, because they have power over ordinary citizens.

    With that power, comes abuse of said power, and thus we require checks to prevent abuse of power.

    They don't always work, so they need to be strengthened.

    Example:

    An ordinary citizen causes few issues except to themselves if he/she mis-manages their budget.

    A politician can cause mass issue on a national scale if they, with others, mis-manage the national budget. This applies to any lvl of government.
    Allowing politicians to be a completely different class of people than the general population, as I see it, is dangerous. We should be a government by the people, for the people- not by the ruling class.

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    Re: White House declines to disclose visits by health industry executives

    Just curious...

    Why is seeing such a list so important other than the principle of releasing it, i.e., "transparancy in DC"? Are some suggesting that backdoor politics...business as usual...taking place within the Obama Administration? I'm just curious what the angle about not releasing such a list is all about.

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    Re: White House declines to disclose visits by health industry executives

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Allowing politicians to be a completely different class of people than the general population, as I see it, is dangerous. We should be a government by the people, for the people- not by the ruling class.
    Perhaps, but don't you think we should know who our employees are talking to in crafting national policy?

    After all, the President works for us. Not the other way around. Who he talks to in making policy should be out in the open.
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    Re: White House declines to disclose visits by health industry executives

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    As Obama pointed out at his press conference, there were photo ops at each of these meetings, they were not held in secret. But that won't stop you from fabricating conspiracy theories, will it?
    Really there is Press Photos of him releasing the Abuse Photos,and his Long Form Birth Cert. please show me a link to this.

    Also I did a quick check on the White House Press section for Press Photos of this said event not a single photo pops up.

    And you still haven't answer my question about his statement about this being the most Transparent White House in History.

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    Re: White House declines to disclose visits by health industry executives

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    So my question for all of you who voted for him what happen to the slogan This will be the Most Transparent White House in History.
    What gives you the impression we all voted for Obama just because he claimed to be guru of transparency? I was confident that he wouldn't have the cloak of secrecy demonstrated by the last administration, such as:

    Increasing the number of federal agencies authorized to designate information as secret and exempt them from public disclosure.

    Having the Department of Homeland Security remove the agency’s entire classification of information process from public scrutiny. The secretaries’ of Health and Human Services and Agriculture and the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, have been granted the right to classify information for purposes of national security and national defense.

    Allowing the Defense Department to adopt a new policy that imposed strict limits on discussion of all its “critical research” from the “idea phase” onward.

    Placing his papers, and those of his father, outside the public eye.

    Increasing the authority of the Central Intelligence Agency to empower its director to block declassification of CIA information unless disclosure is authorized by the president.

    Extending time that information can be kept classified from 10 to 25 years.

    Blanket closures of INS proceedings and absolute gags on disclosure of related information.

    If we are going to compare Obama to Bush, the issue of disclosing a guest list seems a bit petty to me.

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    Re: White House declines to disclose visits by health industry executives

    Then why did they refuse the first time?
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    Re: White House declines to disclose visits by health industry executives

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Really there is Press Photos of him releasing the Abuse Photos,and his Long Form Birth Cert. please show me a link to this.
    You have seen the birth certificate, you have seen the birth announcement in the Honolulu paper. Do you think someone used a time machine to plant that"?

    Also I did a quick check on the White House Press section for Press Photos of this said event not a single photo pops up.
    photo ops are for the press, and may or may not be covered by the White House photographers. Besides, what do you care which health industry executives met at the White House? This is not like Enron executives dictating energy policy to Dick Cheney. Obama's team is speaking to as many health care executives as possible, so what difference does it make which ones attended a meeting? Nobody would recognize the names anyway.

    And you still haven't answer my question about his statement about this being the most Transparent White House in History.
    Who was more transparent?
    Last edited by WillRockwell; 07-23-09 at 09:48 AM.

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    Re: White House declines to disclose visits by health industry executives

    Do a search, your thread is a duplicate.
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    Re: White House declines to disclose visits by health industry executives

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Once upon a time, Bush was hated by the Democrats. Today, the Democrats are copying Bush.

    Let me give you a little timeline here:

    1) 2007 - Bush keeps White House logs secret. Democrats scream for open government.

    2) 2008 - Obama is elected president. under the guise of "open and transparent governent"
    3) 2009 - Obama keeps White House logs secret. You now hear crickets from the Democrats.

    I have just one question - Just who the hell do they think they are? They are accountable to We the People. Bush's party lost an election because of arrogance. It is now time for Democrats to lose because of their own arrogance, not to mention their shameful hypocricy. What's good for the old hypocrite is damn well good for the new hypocrite.

    As far as I am concerned, heads need to roll once more, and this time, not Republican heads.

    Article is here.





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