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Obama may have to wait for health care passage

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By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR

The Associated Press

3:31 a.m. Wednesday, July 22, 2009


WASHINGTON — After more than week of tirelessly pressuring Congress to move his top domestic priority, it appears increasingly likely President Barack Obama may have to settle for a fallback strategy on health care overhaul.
Instead of votes in the House and Senate by August, the best Democrats may be able to hope for this summer is action by the full House by the end of the month and some sort of agreement on a bipartisan plan in the Senate before lawmakers head home for vacation.
Not only are Republicans honing their opposition, but some Democrats in both chambers are voicing doubts about moving such complex and costly legislation too quickly.
"No one wants to tell the speaker (Nancy Pelosi) that she's moving too fast and they damn sure don't want to tell the president," Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., a key committee chairman, told a fellow lawmaker as the two walked into a closed-door meeting Tuesday. The remark was overheard by reporters.
Obama has scheduled a prime-time news conference Wednesday, expected to focus on health care. It's turning into a major test of his leadership. One Republican senator says if the party can stop Obama on health care, it will break him.
In an interview with CBS News on Tuesday, the president insisted on action by lawmakers, even as he conceded some of the criticism was valid. Referring to objections from a group of conservative Democrats in the House, Obama said, "I think, rightly, a number of these so called Blue Dog Democrats — more conservative Democrats — were concerned that not enough had been done on reducing costs."
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Socialism is a hard sell to the American people. I hope it stays stalled. This is not the solution we need.
 
Now if it could be put off till hell freezes over I'd be happy. But you are right it is hard to get some Americans to go along with plans that are openly Socialist. If we could get all real Americans to notify their Representatives in thee House and Senate this economy busting plan could be stopped. And while they're at it they should do the same with that phony Cap and Trade bag of lies based on a major hoax.
 
Republicans calling for "more time" only want to kill health care reform. Since they refuse to help craft a perfect bill, Democrats should railroad through whatever they can pass, then fix it after it becomes law. Bipartisanship is not working, so Republicans should be thrown under the bus.
 
WillRockwell said:
Republicans calling for "more time" only want to kill health care reform. Since they refuse to help craft a perfect bill, Democrats should railroad through whatever they can pass, then fix it after it becomes law. Bipartisanship is not working, so Republicans should be thrown under the bus.
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The only "perfect" healthcare reform bill is the one that is not passed. The Republicans are doing the right thing and looking to stop this insanity.
 
WillRockwell said:
Republicans calling for "more time" only want to kill health care reform. Since they refuse to help craft a perfect bill, Democrats should railroad through whatever they can pass, then fix it after it becomes law. Bipartisanship is not working, so Republicans should be thrown under the bus.
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I could not agree more. It is clearly apparent that the Republicans are completely void of ideas. As shown here quite well they have absolutely no ideas and solutions other than whining about Obama. Everyone agreed a stimulus was in order, yet they offered NOTHING, then make the most egregious of dishonest whining (we now have even Jindal gladly taking credit for stimulus money, what a f***king hypocrite). Most here have shown they have no clue as to why we need health care reform, and what to do about it. When you whole policy is to say no, I say f**k em.
 
celticlord said:
The only "perfect" healthcare reform bill is the one that is not passed. The Republicans are doing the right thing and looking to stop this insanity.
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My point exactly. The Republican position is clear. They have removed themselves from the conversation, so Congress should make no further attempts to include them, rather should reject all Republican opinion as counter-productive, as it is designed to be.
 
WillRockwell said:
My point exactly. The Republican position is clear. They have removed themselves from the conversation, so Congress should make no further attempts to include them, rather should reject all Republican opinion as counter-productive, as it is designed to be.
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Saying "No" to bad ideas is extremely productive.

Saying "Yes" to "reform" that adds costs to healthcare is not productive.

Saying "Yes" to "reform" that adds to the federal deficit is not productive.

Saying "Yes" to "reform" that reduces actual medical care is not productive.

Saying "Yes" to "reform" that bankrupts the insurance industry is not productive.

The bills being cooked up by Henry Taxman and Chris Dudd do all of these things. They are bad ideas, and the only productive response to them is to stop them dead in their tracks.
 
To all Democrats and Liberals out there:

IF you are for this Bobo attempt to take over control of Heath Care in this country, why do you think Health care is any of Government's business in the first place? Forget the details of Bobo's plan, just answer for me the basic question....Why is this any of Governments business in the first place?
 
WillRockwell said:
Republicans calling for "more time" only want to kill health care reform. Since they refuse to help craft a perfect bill, Democrats should railroad through whatever they can pass, then fix it after it becomes law. Bipartisanship is not working, so Republicans should be thrown under the bus.
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And there will be such intense darkness, That one can feel it. - Exodus 10:21
 
WillRockwell said:
My point exactly. The Republican position is clear. They have removed themselves from the conversation, so Congress should make no further attempts to include them, rather should reject all Republican opinion as counter-productive, as it is designed to be.
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This is a lie...


This is the democrat, daily kooks, Obama talking point. Disagreeing with you is not removing themselves "from the conversation" (quoted as this has been the talking point for days now).....
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This is a lie...


This is the democrat, daily kooks, Obama talking point. Disagreeing with you is not removing themselves "from the conversation" (quoted as this has been the talking point for days now).....
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No, as usual you are the liar. The evidence of Republican determination to delay the health care bill on principle has been documented.

"The Republican National Committee will engage in every activity we can to slow down this mad rush while promoting sensible alternatives that address health care costs and preserve quality,"
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Internal RNC Memo: "Engage In Every Activity" To Slow Down Health Care Reform
 
do you have anything other than the huffington post which is the WND of the left?
 
WillRockwell said:
My point exactly. The Republican position is clear. They have removed themselves from the conversation, so Congress should make no further attempts to include them, rather should reject all Republican opinion as counter-productive, as it is designed to be.
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Uh, no. Democrats are derailing this, too, if you're paying proper attention. One day perhaps you'll thank them from saving you from this disaster.
 
WillRockwell said:
No, as usual you are the liar. The evidence of Republican determination to delay the health care bill on principle has been documented.
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"The Republican National Committee will engage in every activity we can to slow down this mad rush while promoting sensible alternatives that address health care costs and preserve quality,"
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So slowing down a legislative process where lawmakers do not even bother to read the legislation on which they are voting, while expanding the discussion to include alternatives, is not being part of the discussion?

So anything that is not "Yes, Dear Leader" is not a welcome part of legislative debate for you?

This healthcare monstrosity is a bad idea. It costs money, reduces care, increases bureaucracy. It accomplishes none of what was promised while delivering everything that Dear Leader pledged to avoid.

This bill is bad. Anyone who is in favor of this bill is in favor of bankrupting this country, because that is exactly what this bill will do.

Why do you want to bankrupt America?
 
WillRockwell said:
Republicans calling for "more time" only want to kill health care reform. Since they refuse to help craft a perfect bill, Democrats should railroad through whatever they can pass, then fix it after it becomes law. Bipartisanship is not working, so Republicans should be thrown under the bus.
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Bipartisanship is not working because liberals (such as yourself) do not understand what bipartisanship is.
 
celticlord said:
The only "perfect" healthcare reform bill is the one that is not passed. The Republicans are doing the right thing and looking to stop this insanity.
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Correct. When what the other side wants to do is so impossibly heinous, the only worthwhile course of action is to stop it cold.
 
WillRockwell said:
My point exactly. The Republican position is clear. They have removed themselves from the conversation, so Congress should make no further attempts to include them, rather should reject all Republican opinion as counter-productive, as it is designed to be.
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Um...
You DO know that the GOP is not holding this, up, right?
That the GOP cannot stop this, that only Democrats can?
And so, any delay or defeat can only be blamed on Democrats?

Of course you do- -- but you're FAR to partisan and FAR too bigoted to admit it.
 
Originally Posted by WillRockwell
My point exactly. The Republican position is clear. They have removed themselves from the conversation, so Congress should make no further attempts to include them, rather should reject all Republican opinion as counter-productive, as it is designed to be.
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You're exactly right. So, when the healthcare circus gets cranked up, it will be placed souly at the Democrats's doorstep.
 
Here's two questions:

1. Why are doctors so overwhelmingly against Obama's healthcare plan?

2. What will these doctors do if he's successful at passing the bill?
 
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