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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    The OP didn't say abstinence only education. Read what I quoted. Abstinence is the best way to prevent a pregnancy period. Whether people abstain or not is a different story, but 100% of people who practice abstinence will not get pregnant. Trust me. Thats true.
    That is true.

    What's unfortunantly not mentioned by Abstinence Only people when they talk about this is the fact that no where CLOSE to 100% of people that are taught "Abstinence Only" actually choose to be Abstinence. And with ONLY teaching abstinence every single % point of people that DON'T choose to adhere to abstenence have an EXTREMELY high chance of pregnancy or STD.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    where is your proof that most underage pregnancies are a result of Statutory Rape????????????????v
    I already posted it. Look up the thread. As many as 2/3 of all teenage pregnancies are as a result of statutory rape with men who are significantly older.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I already posted it. Look up the thread. As many as 2/3 of all teenage pregnancies are as a result of statutory rape with men who are significantly older.
    I don't believe in "statutory rape".
    "Statutory" laws are variable from state to state, and arbitrarily enforced at best; they cheapen the term "rape" (which refers to non-consensual sex) so that nobody really takes the very real and horrific crime of rape seriously (as evidenced by a number of now-archived threads on this very forum), and they cause people to disregard sex offender registries, especially among the poor and working classes, because everybody assumes the registered sex offenders on it were all convicted of trysts with 17-year-olds when they were 18 themselves, and sympathizes with them.

    Additionally, I believe the right to reproductive choice begins when biology dictates it does, not when legislators dictate it does.
    Mother (Nature) knows best.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I don't believe in "statutory rape".
    "Statutory" laws are variable from state to state, and arbitrarily enforced at best; they cheapen the term "rape" (which refers to non-consensual sex) so that nobody really takes the very real and horrific crime of rape seriously (as evidenced by a number of now-archived threads on this very forum), and they cause people to disregard sex offender registries, especially among the poor and working classes, because everybody assumes the registered sex offenders on it were all convicted of trysts with 17-year-olds when they were 18 themselves, and sympathizes with them.

    Additionally, I believe the right to reproductive choice begins when biology dictates it does, not when legislators dictate it does.
    Mother (Nature) knows best.
    arent you the one who says young girls who just started becoming fertile were too young and at too high a risk of death from teh numerous complications of pregnancy
    seems you contradict yourself.........yet again

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    arent you the one who says young girls who just started becoming fertile were too young and at too high a risk of death from teh numerous complications of pregnancy
    seems you contradict yourself.........yet again
    When or where did I say such a thing?
    You probably have me confused with Felicity or someone.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    When or where did I say such a thing?
    You probably have me confused with Felicity or someone.
    in support of...wait for it...when you were arguing for....wait for it....Abortion

    it is just too dangerous for those po wittle goils to go through with a pregnancy at such a tender age
    (In the typical pro-choice hysteria) pregnancy is far to dangerous and life threatening for such a young person to go throught
    despite it happening since the dawn of the Human race

    I will be damned if I am going to look through an absurd amount of posts from last year to eventually find the proof
    if you want to have any credibility, you will acknowledge it, without hiding behind "provide proof to what i said a year ago before i went on hiatus"

    It seems like your son is maturing in the military, how about you try it too, and stand by your remarks

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    in support of...wait for it...when you were arguing for....wait for it....Abortion

    it is just too dangerous for those po wittle goils to go through with a pregnancy at such a tender age
    (In the typical pro-choice hysteria) pregnancy is far to dangerous and life threatening for such a young person to go throught
    despite it happening since the dawn of the Human race
    Link to it.
    I believe in the right to biological self-determination.
    From the time a female is able to reproduce, I believe she deserves the right to reproductive choice.
    This is not a new opinion. I've never had a different one.
    I do not believe in forcing pregnancies on young teens, nor do I believe in forcing abortions on them, nor do I believe in parental consent laws. Nor do I believe in laws that punish or penalize teens for having sex, in any way, shape or form.
    "Adolescence" is a social construct.
    Laws are stupid when they conflict with biological imperatives and biological realities. A person is old enough to have sex when he or she wants to. And a person is old enough to have kids when her body allows her to conceive one. She's also old enough to decide for herself whether or not to continue a pregnancy at that time.

    This has always been my opinion, I've never had a different one.
    I realize it is not a popular one, even among those with whom I am usually ideologically aligned. In fact, over the years, I've participated in a number of threads on the issue where Korimyr and myself (with occasional lukewarm support from RivrRat) were more or less the only proponents of this opinion.

    It seems like your son is maturing in the military, how about you try it too, and stand by your remarks
    He is already twice the man you'll ever be.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    One of the foremost researchers of that "older males impregnating younger females" phenomenon as it occurred in California (the sociologist Mike Males) has described statutory rape (a broad term) in general as "routine 'statutory' offenses involving sexual encounters between adults and teens that have been going on for thousands of years." That's admittedly descriptive rather than prescriptive, but he seems to incorporate it into his examination of "alternate" evidence about teenage pregnancy and childbirth that cast doubt on the nearly universally accepted premise that those behaviors are economically harmful. For example:

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    Teach these kids simple economics and how children eat capital and how this loss of capital effects their own life and they'll be petrified of it.
    An alternative perspective can be found in Hotz et al.'s Teenage Childbearing and Its Life Cycle Consequences: Exploiting a Natural Experiment. Consider the abstract:

    We exploit a "natural experiment" associated with human reproduction to identify the causal effect of teen childbearing on the socioeconomic attainment of teen mothers. We exploit the fact that some women who become pregnant experience a miscarriage and do not have a live birth. Using miscarriages an instrumental variable, we estimate the effect of teen mothers not delaying their childbearing on their subsequent attainment. We find that many of the negative consequences of teenage childbearing are much smaller than those found in previous studies. For most outcomes, the adverse consequences of early childbearing are short-lived. Finally, for annual hours of work and earnings, we find that a teen mother would have lower levels of each at older ages if they had delayed their childbearing.
    The premise is that teenage childbearing can function as a beneficial reproductive strategy in light of its ability to facilitate later uninterrupted labor.

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    Let's just take a look at the sexualization of young girls in the last 10 years.
    These popular socially conservative sentiments aren't sufficient for us to make a sound analysis. Do you have any legitimate evidence that indicates a causative effect between this "sexualization" and a corresponding increase in "unwholesome" teenage sexual activity (not that I'm prepared to immediately condemn it as such anyway)? Are you aware that reports of skyrocketing rates of adolescent promiscuity are generally fraudulent in nature?

    We also have the problem of media reports being uncritically swallowed by those who wish to criticize teenage sexual activity in general as unwholesome, but insufficient consideration of whether the media reports are actually true is of course a facet of this. For example:

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    There's been a disturbing new "game" among middle schoolers as of late. It's called Rings (or something). Each girl wears a different color lip gloss and goes down on a boy. The boy with the most rings wins. The kids say that BJs aren't really sex. Where did they hear that? I'm loathe to find the person who can participate in oral sex and not end up going all the way. Play with fire and all that.
    The reference is to the "rainbow party" phenomenon, which seems to have been invented by Oprah. I don't know of any validated reports of there being a trend or even isolated instances of rainbow parties before she mentioned it or even if there is one now. It would seem obvious to anyone familiar with the mechanics of a blowjob (a good blowjob, admittedly), that the "ring" effect wouldn't even work because the colors would smear together, thus ruining the "rainbow."

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    I can;t help but think about those high shool girls in Gloucester MA last year who made a game of seeing who could get PG. It was an epidemic. Gloucester is not a conservative town. I doubt anyone was teaching abstinence in those schools. MA is traditionally very liberal. If we're going to blame politics, let's be honest.
    Similarly, the "pregnancy pact" was evidently a total and complete fabrication by one individual that was immediately jumped on by the media because it delivered information about wildly irrational and disturbing teenage sexual misbehavior that they were eager to believe and insert into their propaganda.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    This has always been my opinion, I've never had a different one. I realize it is not a popular one, even among those with whom I am usually ideologically aligned. In fact, over the years, I've participated in a number of threads on the issue where Korimyr and myself (with occasional lukewarm support from RivrRat) were more or less the only proponents of this opinion.
    LiveUninhibited and I support that position too, though we apply it a bit more expansively, if you ever saw this.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Link to it.
    I believe in the right to biological self-determination.
    From the time a female is able to reproduce, I believe she deserves the right to reproductive choice.
    This is not a new opinion. I've never had a different one.
    I do not believe in forcing pregnancies on young teens, nor do I believe in forcing abortions on them, nor do I believe in parental consent laws. Nor do I believe in laws that punish or penalize teens for having sex, in any way, shape or form.
    "Adolescence" is a social construct.
    Laws are stupid when they conflict with biological imperatives and biological realities. A person is old enough to have sex when he or she wants to. And a person is old enough to have kids when her body allows her to conceive one. She's also old enough to decide for herself whether or not to continue a pregnancy at that time.

    This has always been my opinion, I've never had a different one.
    I realize it is not a popular one, even among those with whom I am usually ideologically aligned. In fact, over the years, I've participated in a number of threads on the issue where Korimyr and myself (with occasional lukewarm support from RivrRat) were more or less the only proponents of this opinion.



    He is already twice the man you'll ever be.
    I will get right on it
    lets see, how long will it take to search 15,000 replies? hmmmmm
    yeah ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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