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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

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    Four out of every five babies born at Parkland Hospital in Dallas do not have a father listed on the birth certificate.

    I would like to know the educational levels of these women. And that still doesn't change that the trend seems to be fewer teens getting pregnant.
    This is a valid question and I believe plays a significant role in unwed/unwanted pregnancies.

    But lest we wander way off the topic, it certainly has NOTHING to do with Bush and his message of "abstinence" does it?

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

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    This is a valid question and I believe plays a significant role in unwed/unwanted pregnancies.

    But lest we wander way off the topic, it certainly has NOTHING to do with Bush and his message of "abstinence" does it?
    I think having a either or stance on this subject is just silly and when Bush talks about abstinence only education he is lying threw his teeth and merely pandering to an extreme minority for votes.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I found this earlier today:
    Which kind of backs up what I'm saying. The different forms of information appeals to different people.

    My, personal...PERSONAL mind you...view in regards to sex education. Its not to have teenagers not have sex. That's not the GOAL in my mind.

    The GOAL is to not have people getting pregnant when they are not in a position to take care of a kid or get STD's. I think getting kids to not have sex while they're still immature teenagers is a good thing in most cases, but I think its secondary to the main goal above. Notice however I said people not just teens...sex education isn't JUST about them while they're teens.

    For some kids, that goal will best be reached by teaching them the fact that abstinence is the only sure fire way not to have either of those things happen. To teach them, truthfully and honestly rather than focusing on only the most extreme cases trumped up hugely, the consequences that sex can cause at their age and later in life.

    For other kids, that goal will best be reached by teaching them how to have protected sex and the proper ways of doing so while dispelling some of the myths about other forms of "safe" sex (like pulling out, or doing it right before/after a period, etc).

    I think by focusing just on ONE or the OTHER you're going to end up missing out on kids that you could've previously succeeded with in regards to the goal I stated above. To me, doing that because of POLITICS is a low, low act.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

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    I think having a either or stance on this subject is just silly and when Bush talks about abstinence only education he is lying threw his teeth and merely pandering to an extreme minority for votes.
    When did Bush argue for an "abstinence ONLY" education? Do you have a link or some substance on this one?

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

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    Which kind of backs up what I'm saying. The different forms of information appeals to different people.
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    What works for one child might not work for another so I totally agree with a multifaceted approach with educators and parents actually paying attention.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

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    When did Bush argue for an "abstinence ONLY" education? Do you have a link or some substance on this one?
    Just from a quick google:

    President Bush has consistently supported the view that sex education should teach “abstinence only” and not include information on other ways to avoid sexually transmitted diseases and pregnancy.[1] White House Spokesperson Ari Fleischer has asserted that “abstinence is more than sound science, it’s a sound practice . . . . [A]bstinence has a proven track record of working.”[2]

    In pushing an “abstinence only” agenda, however, the Bush Administration has consistently distorted the scientific evidence about what works in sex education. Administration officials have never acknowledged that abstinence-only programs have not been proven to reduce sexual activity, teen pregnancy or sexually transmitted disease.[3] Instead, HHS has changed performance measures for abstinence-only education to make the programs appear successful, censored information on effective sex education programs, and appointed to a key panel an abstinence-only proponent with dubious credentials.

    Politics & Science - Investigating the State of Science Under the Bush Administration

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Give a teenage girl a baby for a week or so to take care of. Also make them wear a fat suit complete with stretch marks, saggy boobs, and milk squirting out at random times.


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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Give a teenage girl a baby for a week or so to take care of. Also make them wear a fat suit complete with stretch marks, saggy boobs, and milk squirting out at random times.


    Problem solved.
    Reminds me of when we had to take care of a hard boiled egg for a full week during classes in school. Had to take it everywhere, even football practice.

    I was damned glad to get rid of that egg. Not sure if it promoted abstinence, or abortion.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Which kind of backs up what I'm saying. The different forms of information appeals to different people.

    My, personal...PERSONAL mind you...view in regards to sex education. Its not to have teenagers not have sex. That's not the GOAL in my mind.

    The GOAL is to not have people getting pregnant when they are not in a position to take care of a kid or get STD's. I think getting kids to not have sex while they're still immature teenagers is a good thing in most cases, but I think its secondary to the main goal above. Notice however I said people not just teens...sex education isn't JUST about them while they're teens.

    For some kids, that goal will best be reached by teaching them the fact that abstinence is the only sure fire way not to have either of those things happen. To teach them, truthfully and honestly rather than focusing on only the most extreme cases trumped up hugely, the consequences that sex can cause at their age and later in life.

    For other kids, that goal will best be reached by teaching them how to have protected sex and the proper ways of doing so while dispelling some of the myths about other forms of "safe" sex (like pulling out, or doing it right before/after a period, etc).

    I think by focusing just on ONE or the OTHER you're going to end up missing out on kids that you could've previously succeeded with in regards to the goal I stated above. To me, doing that because of POLITICS is a low, low act.
    How bout just teaching every single child that abstinance works best, but if you decide to have sex, this is what you do, and these are the consequences. There's no need to segregate.

    And, BTW, how does an educator decide who should sit in what class???
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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    How bout just teaching every single child that abstinance works best, but if you decide to have sex, this is what you do, and these are the consequences. There's no need to segregate.

    And, BTW, how does an educator decide who should sit in what class???
    Psst, that's what I'm talking about. Don't JUST teach abstinence only education, and don't JUST focus on condoms and the right ways to have sex and encouraging people to experiment and find their sexuality while never saying anything about abstinence because its not realitsic to think kids won't have sex.

    Teach BOTH. Promote abstinence, promote it as being the SAFEST choice, encourage kids to go that route, and teach the problems and issues that can come about through sexual conduct....but also teach them the proper ways to be safe for WHEN they eventually begin to have sexual encounters, dispell the myths about alternative ways to have "safe sex" (such as pulling out). Don't just do one while not doing, or paying just lip service, to the other. Do BOTH.

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