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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yea Denmark is one hell of a morally corrupt society.. I agree fully. We care for our elderly, we care for our sick, we defend the weak in society, and we provide for those that need regardless of sexual orientation, religion, sex or race.. ohh we are so morally corrupt! This corruption has created one of the most economically even societies in the world, one of the richest, with the some of the lowest unemployment and high economic growth.. and yes high taxes, but with free education and UHC... oh the morally corruption!

    But back in what we call reality, there is a very good reason for why there is a low teen pregnancy rate in places like Denmark.

    Education and easy access to contraception. Pure and simple.

    We teach our children the facts of life and we teach our girls how to control their own body. We do not teach that sex is a sin, or that you will go to hell if you have sex outside of marriage. We do not have conflicting messages from religious morons and politicians confusing the young. The Danish church is not much different than any other churches but they have almost totally pulled out of the political scene and rarely comment on anything. Yes they are officially against gay marriage, abortion and sex before marriage.. There is one religious political party but it lost its parliamentarian seats a decade ago or so and has not pulled enough votes to get in since.. no where close. The political parties all, including the conservatives, acknowledge that religion and sex are private matters that government should not interfere with.

    There is a clear policy in Denmark that it is up to the individual to decide on ones future and the whole society is built around that principle. That is why we have a legal consent age at 15, and partial economic freedom at 15, and full adulthood at age 18 (vote, drink, drive, marriage). Schools, education and everything basically is built up around the principle of the child having to decide as much as possible self, with of course the guidance of adults. Children are taut to think self at an early age for one and that follows children all the way through adulthood. And yes that causes other problems...

    But the country with the lowest teen pregnancy rate in the western world is Holland/Netherlands and guess why?... again.. education at an early age...I believe that like in Denmark, there are mandatory sexual education classes at a very early age, and contraception is freely available for anyone.

    But the most important thing.. Danes are far from as uptight about sex and the human body as Americans are.. We Danes all looked on in total puzzlement over the whole Janet Jackson boob slip... so much crap for nothing.
    I love it when people attempt to compare an apple to an avocado.

    Denmark has a homogenous ethnic population of about 8 million which is smaller than metropolitan Los Angeles. Great example!

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Danish]Danish people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    No Denmark doesn't have military might but it does seem to have common sense and pragmatism on hard issues, a very strong moral and ethical line. Not to mention a pretty brilliant country with low crime rate compared to US.
    Not to mention a homogenous white Scandinavian population that is smaller than one major US city.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Reading is great, you should try it sometime:



    Where does the CDC state the cause?

    This is correlation only.

    99% of people who die had a meal within the last 24 houres. ZMOG MEALS KILL!!!

    Liberals are so ****ing stupid.
    The irony?

    If we used the logic that correlation=causation, sex education causes teen pregnancy.

    Sex education took off sometime in the 60s. Unwed teen pregnancy has been increasing ever since.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Where is your Margaret Thatcher today?
    Thankfully non existent.
    You lost me when you mentioned her. You shouldn't have mentioned that woman.

    What conservatives winning next election? Hardly something to encouraged about. Thankfully all the real right wing british conservatives are stuck in brussels like Hannan
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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I'd say the knowledge of teen pregnancy and STD's would do a damn sight more than abstinence would. I don't agree with Bush urging for funding for abstinence-only education, but I certainly don't blame him for the teen pregnancy and disease rates because of it.
    What part of REALITY suggests that our kids are currently NOT getting sex education? I have been dealing with the school systems in several states over the last 19 years and not ONCE have I seen any of the PUBLIC schools teaching "abstinence only."

    Where do you people get this pabulum? Where is “abstinence ONLY” taught in our public schools? Where are the FACTS?

    Yes Bush preached abstinence; most parents do the same unless they are freaks. Where is that a BAD idea and how is the connection being made by the thread author that the increase has anything to do with Bush's policies and belief in abstinence?

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    What part of REALITY suggests that our kids are currently NOT getting sex education? I have been dealing with the school systems in several states over the last 19 years and not ONCE have I seen any of the PUBLIC schools teaching "abstinence only."

    Where do you people get this pabulum? Where is “abstinence ONLY” taught in our public schools? Where are the FACTS?
    It depends on the school. The school I went to didn't even have a sex ed program when I attended.

    Oh, and the only comment I made was that teaching kids about the facts is far better than letting them remain ignorant about them. I didn't assert anything about how many schools have an abstinence only program.

    Yes Bush preached abstinence; most parents do the same unless they are freaks. Where is that a BAD idea and how is the connection being made by the thread author that the increase has anything to do with Bush's policies and belief in abstinence?
    How exactly are parents freaks if they want their kids to be informed? Different parents have different methods of raising their kids. Just because you think that parents should raise their kids to believe in abstinence doesn't mean that everyone does.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And American's have to stop thinking they did all this on their own. Much of the prosperity and power was gained on the backs of European nations especially but most nations in the world. No nation in Earth history has ever on its own gained massive amounts of power and prosperity on its own.. it has always been on the backs of others.

    Plus being the most "prosperous and power nation".. is relatively speaking. I would claim that the British Empire and the Roman Empire were far more powerful and prosperous than the US will ever be, since the US is in a decline.

    The British Empire and the UK in general basically invented on the backs of the Dutch btw, the economic system we all use today. They controlled globally with a massive fleet that no one could remotely match and a massive army that controlled at least at its height 1/4 of the worlds landmass. They basically invented global trade (on their terms). At one time a majority of the people on the planet I bet were under the British crown..

    The Roman Empire covered most of the known world (at the lime), and thanks to the Greeks, the Roman Empire lasted for many many hundreds of years, and generated many of the innovations we use every day.. roads for example. Their landmark on history is still visible across the area of its former glory... 500+ years after the last remnants of the Roman Empire were defeated at Constantinople.

    Or how about the Islamic Empire? It also was huge at its height, and culturally and scientifically it still today has a huge impact. It basically invented many medical devices and techniques (basic) that we still use today, not to mention mathematics and astronomy..

    Or how about the various Chinese empires? Giving us things like paper money, silk, gunpowder, cannons and so on?

    Come to think about it, what exactly has the US invented all on its own since it came to existence?
    Your issues with US policy and global economics is laughable at best; but it also begs the question, what the hell are they teaching kids in Europe these days? I can only hope that you are the exception to the rule.

    Nothing can be more amusing than watching Europeans ranting about US policy when they have spent centuries fighting amongst themselves, starting two global wars that resulted in MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of lives lost and then claim they have some kind of moral high ground to rant about the US.

    Europe is wallowing in a malaise of social welfare and mountains of regulation which stifles GDP and you think you have a better idea than America?

    You have got to be kidding me right?

    Carry on.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    The irony?

    If we used the logic that correlation=causation, sex education causes teen pregnancy.

    Sex education took off sometime in the 60s. Unwed teen pregnancy has been increasing ever since.
    Interesting point.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Nothing can be more amusing than watching Europeans ranting about US policy when they have spent centuries fighting amongst themselves, starting two global wars that resulted in MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of lives lost and then claim they have some kind of moral high ground to rant about the US
    Woah woah woah. Back up and stop right there.

    Is US preaching to Europe about war especially considering it has started how many in the last 50 years?

    No one says Europe has a perfect history, for a continent so old. You are bound to find bloodshed.


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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    It depends on the school. The school I went to didn't even have a sex ed program when I attended.
    Which Public School system would this have been?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Oh, and the only comment I made was that teaching kids about the facts is far better than letting them remain ignorant about them. I didn't assert anything about how many schools have an abstinence only program.
    The premise of the thread and many of the Liberal posters on the forum is making this assertion.

    Originally Posted by Truth Detector
    Yes Bush preached abstinence; most parents do the same unless they are freaks. Where is that a BAD idea and how is the connection being made by the thread author that the increase has anything to do with Bush's policies and belief in abstinence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    How exactly are parents freaks if they want their kids to be informed? Different parents have different methods of raising their kids. Just because you think that parents should raise their kids to believe in abstinence doesn't mean that everyone does.
    You missed what I was saying; I am saying that parents who do NOT preach abstinence to their children regardless of all the other things we deal with regarding under age sex are freaks. What NORMAL parent is going to suggest that sex is okay to their children?

    Any NORMAL parent is going to preach abstinence to their children and strongly suggest that they should wait to have sex until they are more mature and have a meaningful relationship. It doesn’t always work, my situation would be one example, but you at least TRY.

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