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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post

    And no offense, but you're Denmark. Hardly the bastion of accomplishment, leadership, and might.
    No Denmark doesn't have military might but it does seem to have common sense and pragmatism on hard issues, a very strong moral and ethical line. Not to mention a pretty brilliant country with low crime rate compared to US.


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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    None of this stuff is new, Chuck.
    I'm sure parents had the same lament back in the 60s, when all major department stores began carrying mini- and micro-skirts for eight-year-olds.
    I grew up in the 80s, and if anything I think teens were far more blatantly "sexualized" back then.
    Yeah, I have to agree with 10 on this one. Sex was EVERYWHERE when I was a kid. Kids do have more access to information about sex, but their curiosity about it is no different than the curiousity we felt when we were kids.

    And that access to information has in some ways been a good thing, I think. It has lead to many more candid conversations with my daughter than I EVER had with my mom and dad about sex.

    Frankly, my daughter is FAR less sexually active at 15 than I was at her age.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    What do you expect? The Bush doctrine was all about abstinence as the only acceptable method of preventing sexually transmitted disease and pregnancy.

    No wonder there was an increase in teen pregnancy and disease.
    Itís obvious to me that those who make such farcical statements never had children or were involved in their local schools.

    The claim that schools stopped teaching sex education, which provided hours of laughs and derision from both my kids, can only be expressed in a vacuum of the facts and reality.

    Bush pressed for abstinence; the schools still taught sex education and many still handed out condoms which basically say go out there and have SAFE sex. Of course, children seldom if ever listen to sage advice.

    But of course, if yer Librul it is so easy to just claim it's all his fault.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    None of this stuff is new, Chuck.
    I'm sure parents had the same lament back in the 60s, when all major department stores began carrying mini- and micro-skirts for eight-year-olds.
    I grew up in the 80s, and if anything I think teens were far more blatantly "sexualized" back then.
    Hell, there was a whole genre of movies entirely about teenagers screwing.
    The Blue Lagoon was probably the most popular one, but there were a bunch of knock-offs, and also a bunch of movies that played mainly on late night cable that were entirely about, say, high schoolers getting laid. Or else high schoolers trying unsuccessfully to get laid.
    The attitude toward abortion was much more laid-back. Look at the casual, blase treatment of abortion in 1982's classic "Fast Times at Ridgemont High". You would not see abortion treated so lightly in a movie today. Popular film-makers today tend to avoid the issue entirely, since attempting to deal with it, from any perspective, is akin to poking a hornet's nest with a stick.
    Back in the 80s, all of the most popular teen actresses did nude scenes, sometimes even sex scenes. Phoebe Cates, Brooke Shields, Jennifer Jason Leigh, ALL of them. And yes, they did them while they were still minors.
    Today, we've got people going ballistic because a 15 or 16-year-old Miley Cyrus appears on the cover of a mainstream magazine draped in fabric which exposes her bare shoulders. Oh yeah, she's also wearing lipstick. The horror!
    So, let's see... in the 80s we had tweens and teens wearing tube tops, slop-buckets full of makeup, and Guess jeans so tight they had to zip themselves into them using a coathanger (remember that?).

    To me, teens seem more innocent today than they did 20 years ago; more childish, more prudish.
    Kids were more sophisticated 20 years ago, better at impersonating adults (or at least, more interested in doing so).
    In the 80s (and the 70s, and the 60s...) kids smoked, drank, and did a lot of drugs. And had a lot of casual sex (or at least attempted to). They partied.

    True, some kids still do these things today, but it seems like those are the "bad kids". The rebels and outcasts.
    Back in my day, these behaviors were pretty normative. It wasn't only the bad kids that did them. It was the mainstream kids, too.
    Many, many kids in the 1980s were latch-key kids, children of divorced single working parents, raising themselves and in many cases their younger siblings as well, without much adult supervision.
    Today it's just not acceptable for an eleven-year-old to come home to an empty house after school and babysit his two younger brothers until mom gets home. This situation is frowned upon.
    But back in the 80s, that was just the way things were done. It wasn't considered strange or inappropriate or dangerous or illegal.
    Kids had to be more mature, more independent. They had to grow up faster back then.
    Today, I think maybe we shelter them too much.
    Very true on a lot of fronts. I think much of that was good for kids, and much of it wasn't.

    I can think of a lot of old friends that might be in a better place in life had their parents prevented such a life. Others seemed to find their way through it just fine.

    What we didn't have then was the internet. Nowdays, 15-year-old girls are expected to perform like porn stars from the get-go. I think it was a better time when we fumbled our way through finding ourselves sexually, instead of having overtly graphic "how-to" video as the instruction manual.

    Back then, you "lived" life in your teens. With the internet, kids now just mimick it as they interpret it from their computer screen.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    No Denmark doesn't have military might but it does seem to have common sense and pragmatism on hard issues, a very strong moral and ethical line. Not to mention a pretty brilliant country with low crime rate compared to US.
    Easier to have brilliant kids and low crime in a country the size of Connecticut and with almost no cultural diversity compared to the United States.

    We have pockets of the US that have almost no crime and fantastic education, too.
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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    We have pockets of the US that have almost no crime and fantastic education, too.
    With UHC and free, universal education. I doubt it but i'll take your word for it.
    Belitting Denmark because it isn't a military power is downright pathetic


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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Yep, and we also blame a former president for hurricanes, poverty among blacks, people who don't pay their mortgages, and now, apparently teen pregnancy. That's one powerful dude, that George Bush.

    And no offense, but you're Denmark. Hardly the bastion of accomplishment, leadership, and might.
    And that is how you define a "good nation" by what accomplishments, leadership and might they have? We are a nation of 5 million people, how much accomplishment, leadership and might do need to meet your standards? We also got 2000+ years of history, so where should we start?

    Nuclear power would not have been possible if it was not for a Dane.. look up Niels Bohr. The planetary movement theory would not have been possible if not for a Dane. It was a dane that calculated the speed of light for the first time. C++.. heard of that.. yes it was a Dane that developed it. How much is C++ used in programming these days? PHP.. know that? Yes a dane made that.. these boards would not have been possible if it was not for a Dane..You know that place that is called "Palin land".. aka Alaska? Guess who discovered that... yes a Dane.. bet you cant guess his name.. let me give a hint.. what is the sea between Alaska and Russia called? Do you want to go on?

    We might not have many people in our small nation, and we may not be on everyones lips, but we have had an impact on human life on this planet, long before the idea of the USA was even contemplated...no wait a minute.. if it was not for a Dane, then there would be no USA, because guess who discovered the freaking place!.. yes the Vikings, sailing from the area known as Denmark and Norway.. go figure!

    Yes I was offended by your comment. Belittling a nation just because it is a small nation is uncalled for. It shows the very arrogance that many people absolutely loath about American's, the French and the British. You are not the center of the universe, did not invent everything and did not discover everything. There existed a world before 1776 and a world after 1776. Get over it.
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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    With UHC and free, universal education. I doubt it but i'll take your word for it.
    Belitting Denmark because it isn't a military power is downright pathetic
    ...and ignoring that they'd all be speaking German if not for the military might of others is moreso. They get to live in a bubble because others do their fighting for them.

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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    ...and ignoring that they'd all be speaking German if not for the military might of others is moreso. They get to live in a bubble because others do their fighting for them.
    WTF is your problem with Denmark?
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    Re: Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    ...and ignoring that they'd all be speaking German if not for the military might of others is moreso.
    Not the bloody 'speaking german' speech ...

    I'd rather thank Stalin, Russians lost entire generations and we musn't forget the role Russian winter played to the defeat of Nazis.


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