Page 6 of 18 FirstFirst ... 4567816 ... LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 175

Thread: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

  1. #51
    Educator sam_w's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    09-24-09 @ 04:43 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    724

    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by BoyKagome View Post
    Ok there may have been problems with our Health Care system before, Medicaid being the biggest example in my opinion. However it is not nearly as bad as what is being said, this 56 million number is a fabrication that includes people who don't even have a interest in having Medical Insurance or are unqualified such as children and illegals.
    Please don't take the time or effort to actually educate yourself on the issue, that would be a lot of work wouldn't it? I guess it is easier to remain ignorant than actually spend the precious few moments to even do a search to the total number of uninsured and under insured.

  2. #52
    User BoyKagome's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Michigan
    Last Seen
    08-18-09 @ 10:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    32

    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    I explained how those numbers are counting people who don't want Health Care or those that are not qualified. Your job is to negate that point by showing a statement that proves that illegals and those are not interested are either not counted... or don't make a significant difference. When you do, I will counter with further knowledge that I have on the topic.

  3. #53
    Banned Goobieman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Last Seen
    03-22-15 @ 02:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    17,343

    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Do you care to elaborate why you feel such? Your simple assertion with no rebuttal does not suffice.
    Sure it does.

    You're not illustrating a neccessary relationship, you're relating a scenario -- a 'what if', or, at best, a "I think this will happen". Necessary relationships do not allow for 'what ifs' or 'I thinks', they require a 'must be'.

    You say these things might/might not happen, or, at best, that in your opinion they will happen, but you do not explain how they MUST happen, nor do you show that they cannot be avoided any other way.

    So to that end, you are chargd with showing that there is a necessary relatiuonhsip between Obama's plan failing and 'bad times' for America, in that:
    1: "Bad times" -MUST- follow if The Obama's plan fails;
    2: "Bad times" -CANNOT- be otherwise averted through other means.

    Is that more clear?

  4. #54
    Guru
    tlmorg02's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Louisville, Ky
    Last Seen
    07-23-15 @ 11:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    3,347

    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Sure it does.

    You're not illustrating a neccessary relationship, you're relating a scenario -- a 'what if', or, at best, a "I think this will happen". Necessary relationships do not allow for 'what ifs' or 'I thinks', they require a 'must be'.

    You say these things might/might not happen, or, at best, that in your opinion they will happen, but you do not explain how they MUST happen, nor do you show that they cannot be avoided any other way.

    So to that end, you are chargd with showing that there is a necessary relatiuonhsip between Obama's plan failing and 'bad times' for America, in that:
    1: "Bad times" -MUST- follow if The Obama's plan fails;
    2: "Bad times" -CANNOT- be otherwise averted through other means.

    Is that more clear?
    If Obama's stimulus fails, THERE will be massive increase in unemployment and a huge tax burden ahead. If healthcare is not fixed, IT WILL begin to exclude more and more people, creating a crisis in this country. There is no aversion.

  5. #55
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Chicago
    Last Seen
    04-02-15 @ 06:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    8,211

    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I'm not losing faith...
    You have faith in a politician? That's a laugher.

  6. #56
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Chicago
    Last Seen
    04-02-15 @ 06:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    8,211

    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    It's not the being against, but the hope that the President will fail. If he fails, then one is essentially hoping for bad times in America.
    Wishing failure upon the policies of the President is not the same as wishing harm or failure upon America.

  7. #57
    Banned Goobieman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Last Seen
    03-22-15 @ 02:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    17,343

    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    If Obama's stimulus fails, THERE will be massive increase in unemployment and a huge tax burden ahead. If healthcare is not fixed, IT WILL begin to exclude more and more people, creating a crisis in this country. There is no aversion.
    You saying so does not make it so.

    And thus, you have not illustrated the required necessary relationship, thereby leaving unsupported your argument that 'wishing Obama fails = wishing bad times for America'.

  8. #58
    Sage
    Erod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    North Texas
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:15 PM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    13,036

    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Please don't take the time or effort to actually educate yourself on the issue, that would be a lot of work wouldn't it? I guess it is easier to remain ignorant than actually spend the precious few moments to even do a search to the total number of uninsured and under insured.
    His point was correct.

    ANYONE can walk into a hospital without health insurance or so much as an ID and get medical attention. Anyone. I can't believe, when 90 percent of the country is perfectly happy with their healthcare coverage, that we're going to change the whole damn thing for the other 10 percent, many of which don't even understand the question.

  9. #59
    Guru
    tlmorg02's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Louisville, Ky
    Last Seen
    07-23-15 @ 11:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    3,347

    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You saying so does not make it so.

    And thus, you have not illustrated the required necessary relationship, thereby leaving unsupported your argument that 'wishing Obama fails = wishing bad times for America'.
    So you deny that if the stimulus fails, and those who have recieved it, are unable to pay it back, it will lead to increased unemployment and economic failure?

  10. #60
    Guru
    tlmorg02's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Louisville, Ky
    Last Seen
    07-23-15 @ 11:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    3,347

    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Wishing failure upon the policies of the President is not the same as wishing harm or failure upon America.
    Wishing complete failure on a President, is wishing for a failure in the position. If the position fails to execute it's job, then harm to the country follows. If a CEO of a company fails to perform his/her postion, the company suffers, does it not?

Page 6 of 18 FirstFirst ... 4567816 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •