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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Why not cover everyone for the same money you're covering just a few?
    Seems to me that this idea illustrates the abject ineffectiveness and inefficacy of the Medicare/aid system. More reason to remove it.
    Your not removing it though. You are just adding more inefficiencies. Why should you take $10k a year from me only to give me back $2.2k? Why not just take the $7.8k and have less work to do?

    In the end everyone that doesn't want to participate in Medicare/Medicaid will be adding money to the pool (minus the individual check they would receive) that will then be checks given to the low-income families that qualify for the system.

    So really all you are changing is that instead of giving the low-income families health care you are giving them a check and asking them to get it themselves while hoping that not only do they spend the money on health care, but also that the private insurance market doesn't dramatically inflate with all the new high risk business.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If you are irresponsible, you suffer the consequences.
    What ever happened to consequences?
    We have to re-look at the health industry too then. I though it was illegal for a hospital to deny a dieing person medical attention. If it's not directly illegal the lawsuits surrounding situations like that would suggest it is indirectly.
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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Your not removing it though.
    Sure you are. You're eliminating two huge federal bureacracies and replacing it with a single small one that simply disburses money. The rest of the work is done by the people themselves. It doesn't get more efficient than that.
    Or does it? See below.

    Why should you take $10k a year from me only to give me back $2.2k? Why not just take the $7.8k and have less work to do?
    That might be a great idea!!
    If you'd prefer, rather than sending a check, you could disburse the money through the tax return system -- everyone gets a $2275 tax credit.
    No issue there.

    So really all you are changing is that instead of giving the low-income families health care you are giving them a check and asking them to get it themselves
    Yep. Personal choices, personal responsibilities.
    Is health care important to you? Then you will choose wisely.
    Its not? That's your choice -- but then, there are consequences.

    but also [hoping] that the private insurance market doesn't dramatically inflate with all the new high risk business.
    That's a legitimate issue, but I'd wager that, on the whole, it would not be so dramatic as there are already a large number of 'high risk' people on private insurance.

    We have to re-look at the health industry too then. I though it was illegal for a hospital to deny a dieing person medical attention.
    It is. That would change, leaving it up the hospitals and doctors themsleves -- if they want to do charity work, they can make that choice.

    Also, remember that we're discussing the Federal issue here. States can do what they want -- and, if they were to follow a similar plan, the $2275 would increase.
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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Sure you are. You're eliminating two huge federal bureacracies and repaling it with a single small one that simply disburses money. The rest of the work is done by the people themselves. It doesnt get more efficient than that.
    Or does it? See below.


    That might be a great idea!!
    If you'd prefer, rather than sending a check, you could disburse the money through the tax return system -- everyone gets a $2275 tax credit.
    No issue there.


    Yep. Personal choices, personal responsibilities.
    Is health care important to you? Then you will choose wisely.
    Its not? That's your choice -- but then, there are consequences.


    That's a legitimate issue, but I'd wager that, on the whole, it would not be so dramatic as there are already a large number of 'high risk' people on private insurance.
    That all actually works for me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    It is. That would change, leaving it up the hospitals and doctors themsleves -- if they want to do charity work, they can make that choice.

    Also, remember that we're discussing the Federal issue here. States can do what they want -- and, if they were to follow a similar plan, the $2275 would increase.
    I think this is the only issue I have left. So doctors and hospitals would have to choose to take the gamble on treating someone in an emergency knowing they may or may not be able to pay them.

    I would worry about the moral aspect of it such as people dieing on the sidewalks outside of a hospital and the poverty level increase due to people not able to pay their medical bills with non-opt in procedures.
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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    That all actually works for me.


    I think this is the only issue I have left. So doctors and hospitals would have to choose to take the gamble on treating someone in an emergency knowing they may or may not be able to pay them.
    What's wrong with that?
    The only people that wont be able to pay are those that did not choose to spend their $2275 responsobly. Concequences.

    I would worry about the moral aspect of it such as people dieing on the sidewalks outside of a hospital and the poverty level increase due to people not able to pay their medical bills with non-opt in procedures.
    This would affect only those that did not choose to spend their $2275 responsobly. If ths worries you, or anyone else, then you all can choose to use your money to help these people.

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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    What's wrong with that?
    The only people that wont be able to pay are those that did not choose to spend their $2275 responsobly. Concequences.

    This would affect only those that did not choose to spend their $2275 responsobly. If ths worries you, or anyone else, then you all can choose to use your money to help these people.
    To much Darwinism and not enough humanity for my tastes. It's not a personal issue (choosing to use your money to help) it's a national issue. I would like avoid America turning into India or Africa style poverty levels and where American citizens are openly left for dead in the streets because they weren't deemed "qualified" by the system.

    American is a nation of opportunity and we have and most likely always will strive to help those less fortunate then ourselves, domestically and internationally.
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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    "Suck it up" isn't a rational argument, regardless of how you phrase it.
    Yet that is the phrase you and others say to those that don't support the wars the U.S. wages.

    Why isn't it valid for your cause?

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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    There is nothing factual to support this absurd assertion; it is merely an opinion that is made in ignorance of how the REAL world works.
    Um I don't like the War in Iraq, does that mean I get to pick and choose the wars I support?

    Then why should you get to choose the programs the government supports?

    Like or not the government supports and funds programs we don't get to pick and choose from.

    There are MANY that I Don't support the Bush adminstration supporting and there are many I don't support the Obama administration choosing from and there are many I didn't support from Bush Sr., Clinton, Regan, Carter, etc.

    Doesn't mean that just because I don't support them that the government sets aside my tax money because I don't support it.
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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    To much Darwinism and not enough humanity for my tastes.
    You always have the option to contribute to charity.

    I would like avoid America turning into India or Africa style poverty levels and where American citizens are openly left for dead in the streets because they weren't deemed "qualified" by the system.
    1: Your hyperbolic response negates itself;
    2: Everyone qualifies.

    American is a nation of opportunity and we have and most likely always will strive to help those less fortunate then ourselves, domestically and internationally
    Again:
    You always have the option to contribute to charity.

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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yet that is the phrase you and others say to those that don't support the wars the U.S. wages.

    Why isn't it valid for your cause?
    I'll take that as a concession of the point. Thanks.

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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    No. It's because only immature, nonthinking people like Rush Limbaugh use childish terms/vulgar images to express disagreement with Obama.
    Hey hey hey, let's not pick on Rush! He's just a lovable little fuzzball.
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