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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, if the child has insurance paid for by the government his chances of not dying for some injury are better than if he had NO insurance and no way to get care because of the parent's irresponsibility.
    There is nothing factual to support this absurd assertion; it is merely an opinion that is made in ignorance of how the REAL world works.

    It borders on lunacy to suggest that if the parents have Government paid for insurance, they will be less irresponsible and the child will not die or become injured. Die from what?

    In the REAL world, if the child has a fatal disease or injury TODAY, every hospital in the US will take them in and try to save the child regardless of finances and in many cases have to by law; but it would require the parents to act "responsibly" and get them to the hospital.

    Hell, in California the hospitals cannot turn away ILLEGAL aliens who come to them for care; it is the LAW.

    Carry on.

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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Sands View Post
    Obama has the same approval numbers that Bush had 6 months into his first term.
    So this is more evidence that Dear Leader is George Bush's third term of office?

    But....wasn't it the Anti-Republicans that claimed this country could not afford "four more years.....of the last eight years"?

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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sands
    Obama has the same approval numbers that Bush had 6 months into his first term.
    So this is more evidence that Dear Leader is George Bush's third term of office?

    But....wasn't it the Anti-Republicans that claimed this country could not afford "four more years.....of the last eight years"?
    No, It just means that it's a recurring phenomenon that a president's approval numbers will go down 6 months into their first term.

    Don't try to read more into this that what the facts support.

    Bush's third term? What a hilarious and ludicrous assertion.

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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No.
    Cut a check to everyone for ~$2275.00, not just those who would receive Medicare/aid. Every family of 4 would then get ~$9100 for them to use to buy health care as they saw fit.
    What good does redistributing wealth on a general level do? The purpose of the program is to give those poverty level individuals access to basic health care.

    Also I need to look into this $2,275 number. That would mean the annual budget just for the checks sent for Medicare/Medicaid is $513 billion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No. They wont.
    You missed the part where I said that if people do not use the money for health care, they're screwed.

    Freedom is the ability to choose.
    But, all choices have consequences; the consequence of you not wisely choosing what to do with yoru health care money are huge bills that YOU have to pay.
    So if those people don't ever pay because they don't ever have the money they should be forced into further poverty or homelessness with outrageous medical bills or be imprisoned?

    Also, the doctor will still be getting paid for helping this person that did not pay. Where do you think those funds are coming from?
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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What good does redistributing wealth on a general level do?
    It gives -everyone- paid equal access to health care, without spending any more money that we're already spending.
    Isnt that what The Obama is trying to do now?
    I mean, except for the 'without spending more money' part.
    AND... it elminates two HUGE federal programs.

    So if those people don't ever pay because they don't ever have the money they should be forced into further poverty or homelessness with outrageous medical bills or be imprisoned?
    They have the money. ~$9100/yr for a family of 4.
    Aside from that - Yes.
    If you are irresponsible, you suffer the consequences.
    What ever happened to consequences?

    Also, the doctor will still be getting paid for helping this person that did not pay. Where do you think those funds are coming from?
    The 'person' in question gets $2275/yr. It comes from that.

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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Also I need to look into this $2,275 number. That would mean the annual budget just for the checks sent for Medicare/Medicaid is $513 billion.
    The actual number for FY2008 Medicare/Medicaid spending is $682.1B
    Divide by 300M.

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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    It gives -everyone- paid equal access to health care, without spending any more money that we're already spending.
    Isnt that what The Obama is trying to do now?
    I mean, except for the 'without spending more money' part.
    AND... it elminates two HUGE federal programs.
    So it's ok to redistribute wealth by cutting checks equally from a pool of funds but it's wrong to use those funds to provide a service to only those that need it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    They have the money. ~$9100/yr for a family of 4.
    Aside from that - Yes.
    If you are irresponsible, you suffer the consequences.
    What ever happened to consequences?

    The 'person' in question gets $2275/yr. It comes from that.
    And if the person doesn't have the money to pay the doctor. They are denied medical treatment and must suffer the consequences by dieing?
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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    So it's ok to redistribute wealth by cutting checks equally from a pool of funds but it's wrong to use those funds to provide a service to only those that need it?
    Why not cover everyone for the same money you're covering just a few?
    Seems to me that this idea illustrates the abject ineffectiveness and inefficacy of the Medicare/aid system. More reason to remove it.

    And if the person doesn't have the money to pay the doctor. They are denied medical treatment and must suffer the consequences by dieing?
    If you are irresponsible, you suffer the consequences.
    What ever happened to consequences?

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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The actual number for FY2008 Medicare/Medicaid spending is $682.1B
    Divide by 300M.
    There isn't 300 million putting into the system. You have to go off the total number of employed which I think is around 230 million. You also have to remove what it costs to have a team to run the system.

    Currently there are about 80 million people participating in Medicaid/Medicare. IF we go off the 2008 number Medicare paid out $230b and Medicaid paid $203b. That's $433b in 2008 participants health care bills paid. That's $5,400 per participating individual annually.
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    Re: Poll: Public losing trust in President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    There isn't 300 million putting into the system.
    To provide for everyone, you take the total $ spent and divide by the total number of people. How many actually paid in, or what they paid in, is irrelevant.

    That comes to $2275 per person.

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