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Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

Glad that people think the cop is in the right when he LIED about the caller identifying the potential suspect as black AND his own police department dismissed the charges.




You do realize, calling someone black, hispanic, aisian, or white, is a helpful descriptor when chasing down a suspect.... Right?

It's not racist its common sense.


Police dismiss disorderly conduct charges all the time.
 
Do you honestly think Gates would have cared?

I have no idea. I don't know much about gates. It's what i would have tried, because that course of action makes the most sense to me. Guessing what gates would or would not care about, sounds to me like the sort of assumptions that escalated the situation to where it wound up.
 
I want to put this incident into the perspective of how a NORMAL non-arrogant, non-race baiting person would have handled the whole situation in less than five minutes:

Cop: Sir, I am responding to a burglary call and need to see your identification.

Individual: Why certainly officer. I am the owner. I was on a business trip and upon my return could not find my keys so the driver assisted me in getting in. Here you go.

Cop: Thank you sir, if you don't mind I just need to call this in and verify that the information is correct.

Individual: Not a problem and thank you for responding. There have been a lot of burglaries in the area recently and it is nice to know you guys are here checking things out.

Cop: Here's your ID back sir. Thank you and we are sorry for disturbing you. Have a nice day.

Individual: Same to you and thank you for your service officer.

Good lord, the people on this forum attempting to defend the arrogant race baiting professor over an incident he created is stunning to say the least.


People are all different and "individuals". There is no such thing as a "normal, non-arrogant, blah, blah, blah," and if there was, neither you nor i know how they would respond because of varying details about that we don't have. We're all slightly affected by our moods and the events of the past few hours. Cops and professors aren't immune. You can say what you would do, and you can say what certain folks should have done, but you can't say what "a normal person would or wouldn't do" in a given situation because of certain minute details to which you're not privy. This is why i think the tactic the cop should have used is one of polite discussion and conversation to try to calm down everybody involved.

Either way, i'm seriously disappointed in how the president responded. In this case (only), he's proven himself to be far more stupid than anyone involved in the actual situation. It makes me concerned over his decision making process in other areas.
 
You do realize, calling someone black, hispanic, aisian, or white, is a helpful descriptor when chasing down a suspect.... Right?

It's not racist its common sense.


Police dismiss disorderly conduct charges all the time.


*gasp* Are you a racist? You said, "blank," "blank," and "blank"!!! :mrgreen:


I was once accused of being racist when i used the term "those people" when discussing certain people who used racial issues for political advancement. (It had nothing at all to do with anyone's race). Ridiculous.
 
I have no idea. I don't know much about gates. It's what i would have tried, because that course of action makes the most sense to me. Guessing what gates would or would not care about, sounds to me like the sort of assumptions that escalated the situation to where it wound up.

Okay so he ignores you and continues screaming that you are a racist; now what?
 
People are all different and "individuals". There is no such thing as a "normal, non-arrogant, blah, blah, blah," and if there was, neither you nor i know how they would respond because of varying details about that we don't have. We're all slightly affected by our moods and the events of the past few hours. Cops and professors aren't immune. You can say what you would do, and you can say what certain folks should have done, but you can't say what "a normal person would or wouldn't do" in a given situation because of certain minute details to which you're not privy. This is why i think the tactic the cop should have used is one of polite discussion and conversation to try to calm down everybody involved.

Either way, i'm seriously disappointed in how the president responded. In this case (only), he's proven himself to be far more stupid than anyone involved in the actual situation. It makes me concerned over his decision making process in other areas.

I see that the OBVIOUS continues to escape you; this isn't what I would do, this is a scenario suggesting what is NORMAL behavior. In other words, it is the action that a rational human being who understands that the cops are doing their job and deserve your respect which will expedite the situation with little in the way of hurt feelings, egos and aggravation.

But then we all know the purpose of Gates asinine racist rant don't we? :roll:
 
Based on the 911 call, I think the cop isn't on particularly solid ground here.

The official report claims he spoke with the caller before making contact with the subject inside the home (Gates).

Catz you should very well know how things from the 911 call change when you speak to someone face to face. This occurs at least 51% of the time.
 
The cop should have invited the prof to sit down in his car and talk it over. That's what i would have done. I'd have said something like the following:

Sir, i'm not here because of your skin color, or my skin color, or the skin color of your neighbors cat. I'm here because somebody called me because you weren't entering your house as normal people do 99.9% of the time. If you had seen somebody you don't know "breaking in," wouldn't you call the cops? It'd be your civic duty to do that, you know.

I was concerned for your safety, and so i asked you about the other individuals. No, it's not my business who you have in your house, but as a police officer i want to make sure that you're safe, and that you are aware that there are others in your residence. What if i didn't ask you about the other men in your house, and just left, and then you, not knowing that you were being burglarized, went in and had harm come to you from those individuals? I asked you about the other people in your home, not to invade your privacy, but to ensure your safety. It's my job to determine whether you might be in harms way and to help you with that threat if it exists.

You have convinced me that you live here. If i can't convince you that i was just doing my job, and not doing my job because of your race, then i'll have to live with that. But you need to get about your business and i need to get about my business. There's nothing to get excited about as i was just doing what i've been trained to do, and what i would have done with a person who was white, black, or any other color. Could you please treat me as if i was your own skin color, so that we can get past this accusation?


You would not have had the opportunity to say any of this.

If there is one thing I am very familiar with, it is the style of those who use the race card against the police.

It starts with an accusation of being 'rude' or 'pushy', then it moves into talking over you when you try to be reasonable and speak with them, then it turns into full fledged display of the race card, the card that beats em all.

At any point if you attempted to say this much ^^^
he would have talked over every other word you said.
 
Glad that people think the cop is in the right when he LIED about the caller identifying the potential suspect as black AND his own police department dismissed the charges.

See above about how descriptions change from the 911 call to speaking with a person face to face.

:roll:

The description that the officer received and put in his report was the one obtained from the caller in a face to face meeting with her before he went to the home.
 
*gasp* Are you a racist? You said, "blank," "blank," and "blank"!!! :mrgreen:


I was once accused of being racist when i used the term "those people" when discussing certain people who used racial issues for political advancement. (It had nothing at all to do with anyone's race). Ridiculous.

He is racist because he mentioned white LAST!!

*jumps up and down pointing* RACIST RACIST RACIST!
 
Come now! you just pulled me over cause I am black! :lol:

Oh jesus don't start with that nonsense.

"Thats right sir, I have my radar speed measuring instrument set up to only inform me when the driver of a speeding automobile is a black man. You see, they developed this system because it was too difficult to racially profile at 3am on dark roads. Its the most advanced arbitrary profiling device for traffic enforcement avaliable to law enforcement, and I am proud to be its operator."


:roll:
 
Come now! you just pulled me over cause I am black! :lol:
Is it racist to discuss the matter describing Gates repeatedly as a "jungle monkey"? Here is the email that got one of Gates fellow officers fired. Will you defend him now?

email-barrett_20090729182951_0_0.JPG
 
Oh jesus don't start with that nonsense.

"Thats right sir, I have my radar speed measuring instrument set up to only inform me when the driver of a speeding automobile is a black man. You see, they developed this system because it was too difficult to racially profile at 3am on dark roads. Its the most advanced arbitrary profiling device for traffic enforcement avaliable to law enforcement, and I am proud to be its operator."


:roll:




You mean my purple caddy with the 24" spinners didn't give it away? :mrgreen:
 
Is it racist to discuss the matter describing Gates repeatedly as a "jungle monkey"? Here is the email that got one of Gates fellow officers fired. Will you defend him now?

[imgx]http://media2.myfoxboston.com//photo/2009/07/29/email-barrett_20090729182951_0_0.JPG[/img]



Uhm nope, this dood is a racist asshole and should be fired. you FAIL


Oh and Gates was the race baitng black guy, Crowley was the officer... FAIL


My guess is Crowley feels as I do.
 
Uhm nope, this dood is a racist asshole and should be fired. you FAIL


Oh and Gates was the race baitng black guy, Crowley was the officer... FAIL


My guess is Crowley feels as I do.

I thought you were a legal adult, so why do you persist in these juvenile FAIL responses like a 12 year old on Facebook?
 
I thought you were a legal adult, so why do you persist in these juvenile FAIL responses like a 12 year old on Facebook?







I take your lack of addressing my corrections to your post, as you accepting once again, being wrong and concede....


It is better and more noble, when you get your waste ejection port handed to you, that you concede, Instead of flying into insults as you usually do! :2wave:
 
People are still discussing this as if they would be discussing it if Obama had not stepped in. In my opinion it's continuing because our president has disclosed that he is a race baiting racist. Absurd, right? He had to come to the conclusion he did without knowing what actually happened through generalization based on race. He classifies all police behavior toward black people as being racist. Seems he thinks blacks are not subject to the same laws as whites in his mind. Do you think he might have gotten those attitudes from the 20 years of flaming racist sermons he didn't hear?

Again, have these race baiters not heard of a self fullfilling prophecy? I'm sure all (or at least the more spirited) of us have been face to face with the law enforcement community and were suspected of some wrongdoing (minor inadvertent infraction of course). Do any of you think that you would have been better off if you acted less respectfully, louder or more disorderly? These people are creating the worst possible result in almost everything they do in their lives.

Sgt Crowley, who is obviously a total professional by all accounts, is attending the whitehouse event today with his union representative and lawyer. Sounds like it was a real friendly invite, huh? Like the CEO of your corporation wants to see you in his office at corporate headquarters in a different city to discuss your questional behavior with his long time elitest irrational friend. I wouldn't attend, no win situation. Obviously the Sergeant's lawyer and union representative advised him not to attend without them. Think they'll require that it be recorded? I would!
 
I was listening to the radio -to Big Bio- this morning and they were discussing Obama's beerfest this afternoon and the dj's were talking about how Obama was in the wrong and all that. Then they started discussing the 911 call and how the woman was not racist in it. Then the guy on the radio actually said, "Well it's not like she said it was two black guys or anything, that would be wrong"

... um hello?!? There were black guys at the front porch. So even if she did say there were two men who appeared to be black trying to break into the house, she is in no way shape or form being racist. She is describing what she saw. Good lord, wtf is wrong with some people and their victim mentality?
 
I was listening to the radio -to Big Bio- this morning and they were discussing Obama's beerfest this afternoon and the dj's were talking about how Obama was in the wrong and all that. Then they started discussing the 911 call and how the woman was not racist in it. Then the guy on the radio actually said, "Well it's not like she said it was two black guys or anything, that would be wrong"

... um hello?!? There were black guys at the front porch. So even if she did say there were two men who appeared to be black trying to break into the house, she is in no way shape or form being racist. She is describing what she saw. Good lord, wtf is wrong with some people and their victim mentality?

There would be nothing racist about stating the race and clothing description of the individuals you find to be acting suspicious when calling the police to check things out.

Good lord what is wrong with this world?

See what the race baiters have created? A country where people are afraid to use common ****ing sense because they are afraid of being viewed as 'racists' for even MENTIONING the race of another person.
 
I was listening to the radio -to Big Bio- this morning and they were discussing Obama's beerfest this afternoon and the dj's were talking about how Obama was in the wrong and all that. Then they started discussing the 911 call and how the woman was not racist in it. Then the guy on the radio actually said, "Well it's not like she said it was two black guys or anything, that would be wrong"

... um hello?!? There were black guys at the front porch. So even if she did say there were two men who appeared to be black trying to break into the house, she is in no way shape or form being racist. She is describing what she saw. Good lord, wtf is wrong with some people and their victim mentality?

Problem is, in his police report Crowley claimed the witness said she saw "two black males with backpacks". She did not say that, so there is at least one instance of Crowley falsifying his report.
 
People are still discussing this as if they would be discussing it if Obama had not stepped in. In my opinion it's continuing because our president has disclosed that he is a race baiting racist. Absurd, right? He had to come to the conclusion he did without knowing what actually happened through generalization based on race. He classifies all police behavior toward black people as being racist. Seems he thinks blacks are not subject to the same laws as whites in his mind. Do you think he might have gotten those attitudes from the 20 years of flaming racist sermons he didn't hear?

Again, have these race baiters not heard of a self fullfilling prophecy? I'm sure all (or at least the more spirited) of us have been face to face with the law enforcement community and were suspected of some wrongdoing (minor inadvertent infraction of course). Do any of you think that you would have been better off if you acted less respectfully, louder or more disorderly? These people are creating the worst possible result in almost everything they do in their lives.

Sgt Crowley, who is obviously a total professional by all accounts, is attending the whitehouse event today with his union representative and lawyer. Sounds like it was a real friendly invite, huh? Like the CEO of your corporation wants to see you in his office at corporate headquarters in a different city to discuss your questional behavior with his long time elitest irrational friend. I wouldn't attend, no win situation. Obviously the Sergeant's lawyer and union representative advised him not to attend without them. Think they'll require that it be recorded? I would!

Bravo........ :applaud
 
Moderator's Warning:
The baiting and flaming needs to end. If the posts that are nothing but personal attacks, baits, or focused on individual posters rather than the topic do not stop then action will be taken
 
Problem is, in his police report Crowley claimed the witness said she saw "two black males with backpacks". She did not say that, so there is at least one instance of Crowley falsifying his report.

:rofl So let me attempt to comprehend your absurd attempts to re-define racism here; if one describes two individuals as being "black", and it turns out that they indeed WERE black, it was still racist to make the comment?

OR, if the call does not specifically indicate there were two blacks breaking in, but the police report identifies them as two blacks and it turns out that indeed, they were two blacks, this is somehow wrong?

This begs the question; you're kidding me right?

Good lord; my 13 year old can form a more coherent argument than this.
:rofl
 
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