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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post

    LMFAO!!!!...Crowley didn't seize anything!
    Umm, actually yes he did.

    He 'seized' Gates when he arrested him. An arrest is considered a 'seizure' under the 4th amendment of the constitution.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Umm, actually yes he did.

    He 'seized' Gates when he arrested him. An arrest is considered a 'seizure' under the 4th amendment of the constitution.
    I stand corrected. I took the comment to mean that property was seized.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    According to the local news here in Boston, Gates and Crowley have become quite friendly. They plan on meeting up again, possibly for a Red Sox game. Gates has joked about the incident while signing books on Martha's Vineyard, claiming that he'll get Crowley's kids into Harvard so long as Crowley doesn't arrest him again.

    The way I see it, if these two can put this nonsense behind them, so should the rest of the United States, no?

    -NC

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There was not only probable cause to arrest Gates for disorderly conduct
    You're wrong, dude. Gates didn't engage in tumultuous conduct and there was no public alarm.

    there was probable cause to arrest Gates for obstruction of justice.
    I don't think so, dude.

    Scooter Libby isn't in jail for obstruction of justice?
    I know dude. Bush commuted his sentence.

    LMFAO!!!!...Crowley didn't seize anything!
    Crowley seized Gates when he unlawfully arrested him.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Yes, he did, and he displayed that probable cause in his arrest report.
    Crowley didn't have probable cause that Gates engaged in tumultuous behavior or that he caused public alarm. Read the case law, dude. It wasn't even close to disorderly conduct.

    This is news to me. What exactly are you talking about this.. 'false charge'????
    The false charge that Gates committed disorderly conduct by engaging in tumultuous behavior that cause public alarm.

    ?? "the filing of an information" WTF does that even mean?
    If the offense is a misdemeanor, the charging instrument is called an Information.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Really? There is a statute that says you can do that?
    It's case law.

    COMMONWEALTH vs. JOEL FEIGENBAUM.

    404 Mass. 471

    November 8, 1988 - April 4, 1989

    Present: HENNESSEY, C.J., LIACOS, ABRAMS, NOLAN, & O'CONNOR, JJ.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/newrep...y&p=1058170979

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    You're wrong, dude. Gates didn't engage in tumultuous conduct and there was no public alarm.
    The Black and hispanic officers felt like he committed a crime. We didn't see them get fingered with a racism charge, though. Did we?

    Bottom line is, had Gates, a Harvard Professor, had been smart enough to to cooperate, this wouldn't have ever hit the news. But, no, Gates saw a chance to become a Civil Rights martyr and jumped in with both feet.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by NortheastCynic View Post
    According to the local news here in Boston, Gates and Crowley have become quite friendly. They plan on meeting up again, possibly for a Red Sox game. Gates has joked about the incident while signing books on Martha's Vineyard, claiming that he'll get Crowley's kids into Harvard so long as Crowley doesn't arrest him again.

    The way I see it, if these two can put this nonsense behind them, so should the rest of the United States, no?

    -NC
    I'm friends with several dumb cops.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Black and Hispanic officers felt like he committed a crime.
    Black and Hispanic cops can be as stupid as White cops.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Black and hispanic officers felt like he committed a crime. We didn't see them get fingered with a racism charge, though. Did we?

    Bottom line is, had Gates, a Harvard Professor, had been smart enough to to cooperate, this wouldn't have ever hit the news. But, no, Gates saw a chance to become a Civil Rights martyr and jumped in with both feet.
    If Crowley had been smart enough not to arrest a man without probable cause, this would have been no big deal. Crowley needs to learn the case law on disorderly conduct.

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