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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I was listening to the radio ...
    That would be your first mistake right there.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I was listening to the radio -to Big Bio- this morning and they were discussing Obama's beerfest this afternoon and the dj's were talking about how Obama was in the wrong and all that. Then they started discussing the 911 call and how the woman was not racist in it. Then the guy on the radio actually said, "Well it's not like she said it was two black guys or anything, that would be wrong"

    ... um hello?!? There were black guys at the front porch. So even if she did say there were two men who appeared to be black trying to break into the house, she is in no way shape or form being racist. She is describing what she saw. Good lord, wtf is wrong with some people and their victim mentality?
    Problem is, in his police report Crowley claimed the witness said she saw "two black males with backpacks". She did not say that, so there is at least one instance of Crowley falsifying his report.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    People are still discussing this as if they would be discussing it if Obama had not stepped in. In my opinion it's continuing because our president has disclosed that he is a race baiting racist. Absurd, right? He had to come to the conclusion he did without knowing what actually happened through generalization based on race. He classifies all police behavior toward black people as being racist. Seems he thinks blacks are not subject to the same laws as whites in his mind. Do you think he might have gotten those attitudes from the 20 years of flaming racist sermons he didn't hear?

    Again, have these race baiters not heard of a self fullfilling prophecy? I'm sure all (or at least the more spirited) of us have been face to face with the law enforcement community and were suspected of some wrongdoing (minor inadvertent infraction of course). Do any of you think that you would have been better off if you acted less respectfully, louder or more disorderly? These people are creating the worst possible result in almost everything they do in their lives.

    Sgt Crowley, who is obviously a total professional by all accounts, is attending the whitehouse event today with his union representative and lawyer. Sounds like it was a real friendly invite, huh? Like the CEO of your corporation wants to see you in his office at corporate headquarters in a different city to discuss your questional behavior with his long time elitest irrational friend. I wouldn't attend, no win situation. Obviously the Sergeant's lawyer and union representative advised him not to attend without them. Think they'll require that it be recorded? I would!
    Bravo........

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Problem is, in his police report Crowley claimed the witness said she saw "two black males with backpacks". She did not say that, so there is at least one instance of Crowley falsifying his report.
    So let me attempt to comprehend your absurd attempts to re-define racism here; if one describes two individuals as being "black", and it turns out that they indeed WERE black, it was still racist to make the comment?

    OR, if the call does not specifically indicate there were two blacks breaking in, but the police report identifies them as two blacks and it turns out that indeed, they were two blacks, this is somehow wrong?

    This begs the question; you're kidding me right?

    Good lord; my 13 year old can form a more coherent argument than this.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Have you seen the transcript of the 911 call?

    The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan



    For me, at least, it puts a different spin on things.

    Thanks for posting this Catz. Yes this puts a totally new spin. The caller seemed to imply that the 2 might actually live there. She stated suitcases. So now this brings us back to the police report. The lady stated she didn't speak with the cop, the police report states she did and that she said there were two black men with backpacks. So now is the police report an error or did the cop who filed it make a false claim?

    Also on Fox News, Analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano had this to says that the law “allows an arrest for being disorderly if you are in public. … So if Professor Gates was arrested because of the words he used to police inside his house, on the front porch or on the front lawn, it was an improper arrest.”

    "The law says, unless [a police officer] witnesses a felony…or unless he has a piece of paper from a judge—a search warrant or an arrest warrant—saying “you can go in that house,” he can’t go in the house. So when Professor Gates said “no you can’t come in,” and the police went in anyway [the police] violated the federal Constitution."

    Raw Story Fox legal analyst: Gates arrest was improper

    There is plenty of precedent in the supreme court regarding the castle doctrine. Without the officer witnessing a crime the officer would have needed permission to enter Gates' house. Once again the arrest was unlawful and even this judge has stated so.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I thought you were a legal adult, so why do you persist in these juvenile FAIL responses like a 12 year old on Facebook?
    Seems like an attempt to bait you into a flame war

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    See above about how descriptions change from the 911 call to speaking with a person face to face.



    The description that the officer received and put in his report was the one obtained from the caller in a face to face meeting with her before he went to the home.
    Crowley never spoke with the caller face to face. Lucia Whalen has stated that she never had a conversation with Crowley at the scene. Meanwhile Crowley states that he did. Someone isn't telling the truth either Whalen or Crowley.

    911 caller in Gates arrest never referred to 'black suspects' - CNN.com

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Problem is, in his police report Crowley claimed the witness said she saw "two black males with backpacks". She did not say that, so there is at least one instance of Crowley falsifying his report.
    I think is more of a mistake than a deliberate falsification. Crowley is not going off what the caller said to the dispatcher, he's going off what the dispatcher said to him. There could have been a disconnect there. I don't know.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I think is more of a mistake than a deliberate falsification. Crowley is not going off what the caller said to the dispatcher, he's going off what the dispatcher said to him. There could have been a disconnect there. I don't know.
    There's just a problem though Lerx the caller didn't mention to the dispatcher race she thought maybe hispanic. Somewhere between the dispatcher to Crowley to the report the information was inserted saying the caller spoke to Crowley on the scene and told Crowley two black men with backpacks were in the house. Whalen says she never spoke to Crowley. Crowley maintains that she did. Something is wrong here.
    Last edited by PogueMoran; 07-30-09 at 03:58 PM.

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