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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Glad that people think the cop is in the right when he LIED about the caller identifying the potential suspect as black AND his own police department dismissed the charges.



    You do realize, calling someone black, hispanic, aisian, or white, is a helpful descriptor when chasing down a suspect.... Right?

    It's not racist its common sense.


    Police dismiss disorderly conduct charges all the time.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Do you honestly think Gates would have cared?
    I have no idea. I don't know much about gates. It's what i would have tried, because that course of action makes the most sense to me. Guessing what gates would or would not care about, sounds to me like the sort of assumptions that escalated the situation to where it wound up.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I want to put this incident into the perspective of how a NORMAL non-arrogant, non-race baiting person would have handled the whole situation in less than five minutes:

    Cop: Sir, I am responding to a burglary call and need to see your identification.

    Individual: Why certainly officer. I am the owner. I was on a business trip and upon my return could not find my keys so the driver assisted me in getting in. Here you go.

    Cop: Thank you sir, if you don't mind I just need to call this in and verify that the information is correct.

    Individual: Not a problem and thank you for responding. There have been a lot of burglaries in the area recently and it is nice to know you guys are here checking things out.

    Cop: Here's your ID back sir. Thank you and we are sorry for disturbing you. Have a nice day.

    Individual: Same to you and thank you for your service officer.

    Good lord, the people on this forum attempting to defend the arrogant race baiting professor over an incident he created is stunning to say the least.

    People are all different and "individuals". There is no such thing as a "normal, non-arrogant, blah, blah, blah," and if there was, neither you nor i know how they would respond because of varying details about that we don't have. We're all slightly affected by our moods and the events of the past few hours. Cops and professors aren't immune. You can say what you would do, and you can say what certain folks should have done, but you can't say what "a normal person would or wouldn't do" in a given situation because of certain minute details to which you're not privy. This is why i think the tactic the cop should have used is one of polite discussion and conversation to try to calm down everybody involved.

    Either way, i'm seriously disappointed in how the president responded. In this case (only), he's proven himself to be far more stupid than anyone involved in the actual situation. It makes me concerned over his decision making process in other areas.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You do realize, calling someone black, hispanic, aisian, or white, is a helpful descriptor when chasing down a suspect.... Right?

    It's not racist its common sense.


    Police dismiss disorderly conduct charges all the time.

    *gasp* Are you a racist? You said, "blank," "blank," and "blank"!!!


    I was once accused of being racist when i used the term "those people" when discussing certain people who used racial issues for political advancement. (It had nothing at all to do with anyone's race). Ridiculous.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    I have no idea. I don't know much about gates. It's what i would have tried, because that course of action makes the most sense to me. Guessing what gates would or would not care about, sounds to me like the sort of assumptions that escalated the situation to where it wound up.
    Okay so he ignores you and continues screaming that you are a racist; now what?

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    People are all different and "individuals". There is no such thing as a "normal, non-arrogant, blah, blah, blah," and if there was, neither you nor i know how they would respond because of varying details about that we don't have. We're all slightly affected by our moods and the events of the past few hours. Cops and professors aren't immune. You can say what you would do, and you can say what certain folks should have done, but you can't say what "a normal person would or wouldn't do" in a given situation because of certain minute details to which you're not privy. This is why i think the tactic the cop should have used is one of polite discussion and conversation to try to calm down everybody involved.

    Either way, i'm seriously disappointed in how the president responded. In this case (only), he's proven himself to be far more stupid than anyone involved in the actual situation. It makes me concerned over his decision making process in other areas.
    I see that the OBVIOUS continues to escape you; this isn't what I would do, this is a scenario suggesting what is NORMAL behavior. In other words, it is the action that a rational human being who understands that the cops are doing their job and deserve your respect which will expedite the situation with little in the way of hurt feelings, egos and aggravation.

    But then we all know the purpose of Gates asinine racist rant don't we?

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Based on the 911 call, I think the cop isn't on particularly solid ground here.
    The official report claims he spoke with the caller before making contact with the subject inside the home (Gates).

    Catz you should very well know how things from the 911 call change when you speak to someone face to face. This occurs at least 51% of the time.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    The cop should have invited the prof to sit down in his car and talk it over. That's what i would have done. I'd have said something like the following:

    Sir, i'm not here because of your skin color, or my skin color, or the skin color of your neighbors cat. I'm here because somebody called me because you weren't entering your house as normal people do 99.9% of the time. If you had seen somebody you don't know "breaking in," wouldn't you call the cops? It'd be your civic duty to do that, you know.

    I was concerned for your safety, and so i asked you about the other individuals. No, it's not my business who you have in your house, but as a police officer i want to make sure that you're safe, and that you are aware that there are others in your residence. What if i didn't ask you about the other men in your house, and just left, and then you, not knowing that you were being burglarized, went in and had harm come to you from those individuals? I asked you about the other people in your home, not to invade your privacy, but to ensure your safety. It's my job to determine whether you might be in harms way and to help you with that threat if it exists.

    You have convinced me that you live here. If i can't convince you that i was just doing my job, and not doing my job because of your race, then i'll have to live with that. But you need to get about your business and i need to get about my business. There's nothing to get excited about as i was just doing what i've been trained to do, and what i would have done with a person who was white, black, or any other color. Could you please treat me as if i was your own skin color, so that we can get past this accusation?

    You would not have had the opportunity to say any of this.

    If there is one thing I am very familiar with, it is the style of those who use the race card against the police.

    It starts with an accusation of being 'rude' or 'pushy', then it moves into talking over you when you try to be reasonable and speak with them, then it turns into full fledged display of the race card, the card that beats em all.

    At any point if you attempted to say this much ^^^
    he would have talked over every other word you said.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Glad that people think the cop is in the right when he LIED about the caller identifying the potential suspect as black AND his own police department dismissed the charges.
    See above about how descriptions change from the 911 call to speaking with a person face to face.



    The description that the officer received and put in his report was the one obtained from the caller in a face to face meeting with her before he went to the home.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    *gasp* Are you a racist? You said, "blank," "blank," and "blank"!!!


    I was once accused of being racist when i used the term "those people" when discussing certain people who used racial issues for political advancement. (It had nothing at all to do with anyone's race). Ridiculous.
    He is racist because he mentioned white LAST!!

    *jumps up and down pointing* RACIST RACIST RACIST!
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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