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Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

apdst said:
You said that you're not a big fan of cops, because of the way you and your friends and family have been treated. If that's the case, then must examine your own behavior.
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Ah, so are you saying that cops are infallible and incapable of being wrong?

If you don't want to be the adult in the situation and disrespect a cop, just because he's an unproffessional asshole, then you have only yourself to blame if you get a raw deal.
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It has nothing to do with being an adult, it has to do with having some self respect.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Nah, it's not a pride issue. I just don't kiss anyone's ass because they believe they are somehow superior to me.
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There goes your pride right there, thinking yourself so great that you can dictate how others think based upon your own pre-concieved ideas that they believe they are superior to you because they have been given the duty of investigating crime.

I am polite to people until they are impolite to me. It's that simple. You can make any conclusions you want, but it changes nothing. I'm not a fan of people with big egos and there are plenty of cops out there who have them.
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I hear this often from individuals who exibit the same attitude towards law enforcement that you do. I think the issue isn't the ego of the officers as much as it is the ego of you.
 
Grateful Heart said:
"Sucking up" to cops is a good way to stay out of jail. Like it or not.

There've been cops who've treated me as a suspect when I was in the right. There've been several times I've wanted to slug a cop. My better judgment told me not to. Because disagreeing, arguing, screaming, kicking, or otherwise throwing a hissy fit towards a cop will get you only one thing... trouble.

I saw a short clip of the professor on tonight's news. He said the cop came into the situation with a 'predetermined point of view.' Well, there was at least one man in that home with a 'predetermined point of view,' and I'm not sure one of them was the cop.

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The 'predetermined point of view' might have stemmed from the 'citizen call for service' in which he recieved.

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I ****ing hate it when police respond to a call for service called in by a citizen and then police turn around and take the heat for being 'evil racists harrassing the public'.

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Caine said:
There goes your pride right there, thinking yourself so great that you can dictate how others think based upon your own pre-concieved ideas that they believe they are superior to you because they have been given the duty of investigating crime.
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Nope, not at all. I don't think I'm any better than anyone else. I just have self-respect. I'm sorry you have a hard time with that.

I hear this often from individuals who exibit the same attitude towards law enforcement that you do. I think the issue isn't the ego of the officers as much as it is the ego of you.
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Call it what you want. Feel free to judge it how you want. I have my views you have yours. Deal with it. :2wave:
 
Caine said:
The 'predetermined point of view' might have stemmed from the 'citizen call for service' in which he recieved.

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I ****ing hate it when police respond to a call for service called in by a citizen and then police turn around and take the heat for being 'evil racists harrassing the public'.

:roll:
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Are you saying that there aren't racist cops out there? I've met a fair amount, especially around this area.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
But I'm not going to kiss every cop's ass because they think they are somehow superior to me.
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:rofl There you go again. Repeating the same paranoia isn't going to make it true.

If you want to suck up to a cop just because they are a cop even if they are being aggressive towards you in an unwarranted way then that's fine for you. I'm just not that way. Deal with it. :2wave:
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Unwarranted way.
If something looks suspicious, and police approach it in a timid manner, it can be played off well by an offender or would be offender.

If something looks suspicious, and police approach it in an aggressive manner, it often leads to results.

If something looks suspicious and and police approach it in an aggressive manner, and you act like a jack ass back because 'no po-lease be talkin' to me like 'dat', then you are going to cause furthur aggression and furthur problems on yourself.

Its pure idiocy that you can't figure that one out yet.

 
Dr_Patrick said:
. I don't care who they are.
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"I don't be carin' who they be bein' because I is one baaaaad motha ****a. "

This is pretty much what your statements translated into so far. Wayy too much pride.
 
Caine said:
:rofl There you go again. Repeating the same paranoia isn't going to make it true.


Unwarranted way.
If something looks suspicious, and police approach it in a timid manner, it can be played off well by an offender or would be offender.

If something looks suspicious, and police approach it in an aggressive manner, it often leads to results.

If something looks suspicious and and police approach it in an aggressive manner, and you act like a jack ass back because 'no po-lease be talkin' to me like 'dat', then you are going to cause furthur aggression and furthur problems on yourself.

Its pure idiocy that you can't figure that one out yet.
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What you obviously can't seem to figure out is that I have my own personal views on this and there's nothing you can say or do that will change them. Call me what you want, judge the situation how you want but you aren't going to change my opinion that some cops are assholes. The fact that you somehow think that cops are worthy of ass kissing speaks volumes about your obvious and blatant bias.
 
Caine said:
"I don't be carin' who they be bein' because I is one baaaaad motha ****a. "

This is pretty much what your statements translated into so far. Wayy too much pride.
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Wow, that's crazy. I don't recall saying anything remotely like that. Keep putting words in my mouth though. This is getting entertaining. :lol:
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Are you saying that there aren't racist cops out there? I've met a fair amount, especially around this area.
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Im certain somewhere there are.

But what is sometimes perceived as racism, and what is really racism are two totally different things.

I work in a predominantly white area of my city. Blacks make up maybe 10% of my overall career arrests. Yet of those 10%, i'd wager that 70% have called me racist while I was doing my job. I made no mention of race during our encounter, yet race was still brought up, un-justifiably by the offender.

Playing the race card against the police is a traditional way to try to deflect blame and responsibility for what someone did wrong, and thus, has no merit in my opinion.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Wow, that's crazy. I don't recall saying anything remotely like that. Keep putting words in my mouth though. This is getting entertaining. :lol:
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Just like you keep putting thoughts in the heads of police officers?

I notice you have failed to even address that point brought up by me, why is that sir patrick?
 
Caine said:
Im certain somewhere there are.

But what is sometimes perceived as racism, and what is really racism are two totally different things.
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I agree that far too often people pull the race card. Sometimes it is warranted, sometimes it isn't.

I work in a predominantly white area of my city. Blacks make up maybe 10% of my overall career arrests. Yet of those 10%, i'd wager that 70% have called me racist while I was doing my job. I made no mention of race during our encounter, yet race was still brought up, un-justifiably by the offender.
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Like I said, many times it is unwarranted. Many people have been called racists for completely absurd and ridiculous reasons. Unfortunately, because of this type of behavior it's sometimes difficult to discern the legitimate complaints from the absurd ones.

Playing the race card against the police is a traditional way to try to deflect blame and responsibility for what someone did wrong, and thus, has no merit in my opinion.
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In many situations I'm sure it is. However, I've met a fair amount of cops from my area who proudly admit that they are racist. I've seen them hassle black people for even daring to step foot in my hometown. Obviously this type of behavior shouldn't be tolerated.
 
Caine said:
Just like you keep putting thoughts in the heads of police officers?

I notice you have failed to even address that point brought up by me, why is that sir patrick?
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How exactly am I putting thoughts in the heads of police officers? All I said is that I'm not going to suck up to a cop. Why is that so difficult for you to accept?
 
Dr_Patrick said:
How exactly am I putting thoughts in the heads of police officers? All I said is that I'm not going to suck up to a cop. Why is that so difficult for you to accept?
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Please follow long...

Dr_Patrick said:
Nah, it's not a pride issue. I just don't kiss anyone's ass because they believe they are somehow superior to me. I am polite to people until they are impolite to me. It's that simple. You can make any conclusions you want, but it changes nothing. I'm not a fan of people with big egos and there are plenty of cops out there who have them. There are also plenty of great cops out there who are nice people. Cops are human beings after all.
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Dr_Patrick said:
I don't think cops are being too mean to me. I've seen certain cops be unnecessarily aggressive towards me and friends of mine in the past where it was completely unwarranted. Those cops are egotistical assholes. Are all cops this way? Absolutely not. As I said earlier, I've met plenty of cops who are great people. But I'm not going to kiss every cop's ass because they think they are somehow superior to me. If you want to suck up to a cop just because they are a cop even if they are being aggressive towards you in an unwarranted way then that's fine for you. I'm just not that way. Deal with it. :2wave:
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Caine said:
Please follow long...
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Are you saying there aren't cops with superiority complexes? I was speaking of hypothetical situations, by the way. I figured that was kind of obvious. I apologize for not making it clearer.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism | Comcast.net

BOSTON — Henry Louis Gates Jr., the nation's pre-eminent black scholar, is accusing Cambridge police of racism after he was arrested while trying to force open the locked front door of his home near Harvard University.

Cambridge police were called to the home Thursday afternoon after a woman reported seeing a man "wedging his shoulder into the front door as to pry the door open," according to a police report.

An officer ordered the man to identify himself, and Gates refused, according to the report. Gates began calling the officer a racist and said repeatedly, "This is what happens to black men in America."

Officers said they tried to calm down the 58-year-old academic, who responded, "You don't know who you're messing with," according to the police report.

Yea way to go there Prof. when a Cop ask you ti ID yourself the best thing for you to do is sure officer here is my ID and as you can see I live here. I locked myself out and was trying to force the door open.

You most likely won't get arrsted and I'm pretty sure the Cops will even try to help you.

But no the Good Prof. had to start yelling out that the Cops were being racist and they had no idea who they were messing with.
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Prominent black scholars are better than us white folk, who don't hesitate to haul out the drivers' licence when asked in a situation that closely resembles and breaking-and-entering incidents you may have heard about.

If the stuck up dumb ass wasn't so intent on being the next Rodney King, he could have just explained the things politely to the cops and none of this would have been in the news.

I mean, anyone think a black cop would have asked for ID, too?
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Are you saying there aren't cops with superiority complexes? I was speaking of hypothetical situations, by the way. I figured that was kind of obvious. I apologize for not making it clearer.
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There may be.

But the problem is when the cliche things get thrown out there like it is commonplace among police, when it is not. Also you assuming you know what a police officer thinks and then react to what you assume about them is part of your own personal problems with the police. That and whatever it is you are doing wrong. :mrgreen:

Cliches mentioned:

1. "Ego"
2. "Quota"

Any cop who doesn't give out a warning either has a big ego or has a quota to meet, according to some who fail to want to take personal responsibility for their actions.
 
apdst said:
Why? Because he's black?
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Well, yes. All black men arrested are victims of white oppression, especially black men found to be potentially committing a violent felony and refusing to identify themselves to the po-leece.

Didn't you know that?
 
Caine said:
There may be.

But the problem is when the cliche things get thrown out there like it is commonplace among police, when it is not. Also you assuming you know what a police officer thinks and then react to what you assume about them is part of your own personal problems with the police. That and whatever it is you are doing wrong. :mrgreen:

Cliches mentioned:

1. "Ego"
2. "Quota"

Any cop who doesn't give out a warning either has a big ego or has a quota to meet, according to some who fail to want to take personal responsibility for their actions.
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I'm not assuming anything. As I said, I was speaking of hypothetical situations. Obviously not all cops are this way.

I also didn't say that about cops who don't give out warnings. I don't expect them to. I've been incredibly grateful when I've gotten warnings from cops.
 
apdst said:
How can it be that someone with multiple college degrees is too stupid not to have his key on his person, nor have a spare key hid out somewhere?
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I don't even think that's the issue.

People lose keys. Fine.

Every high-school educated white person who's had to break into his own home is aware of what it might look like, and if a cop shows up to ask questions, they cooperate because they know they haven't actually broken any laws and because they're good citizens and they know the cop is just doing his job....exactly as they want their police to do them.

Obviously this pompous prick didn't feel that he needed to actuall prove he lived in the house he just broke into, because after all, he's a famous pompous prick and the stupid cop racist cop should have known that this house belonged to the stupid pompous racist prick lived there without having to ask.

It's all the cops fault for being too racist to pay attention to all the famous pompous black racist pricks in the city.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
I mean, anyone think a black cop would have asked for ID, too?
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hmmmm.....

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apdst said:
No they don't. "Police quotas", are an urban legend.
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Of courrrse. The commandant of the New York State Troopers said so. He said that his officers don't have quotas, but naturally their performance is graded in some measure on how effective they are in patrolling the state's highways.

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apdst said:
I've never, ever seen a cop pick on someone that wasn't doing something wrong.
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Pay more attention. I've been personally harassed by a cop who was driving 15 mph under the speed limit...which means he was going a feisty 20 mph, and then trying to race me as I passed him. Naturally, I didn't know the dumb**** was a cop until he pulled up next to me...illegally occupying the right shoulder, and waving his badge at me and yelling "what do you think about this, punk?"

I've a friend who's wife was threated by a cop who didn't like the fact that her daughter beat the pants off his daughter in a soccer practice.

So, yeah, abuse of power is routine among cops.

Cops are often thugs with badges.

But in this incident? The damn stupid pre-eminent black scholar that no one's ever heard of should have shut up and produced the damn ID the very first time he was asked and nothing would have happened to him.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Of courrrse. The commandant of the New York State Troopers said so. He said that his officers don't have quotas, but naturally their performance is graded in some measure on how effective they are in patrolling the state's highways.

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Well, if your sole job is to patrol the highways and enforce traffic laws, then you are going to be expected to perform, to earn your pay.

But when a 'quota' is brought up, it always has a negative connotation that goes along with it, as if the person being cited (given a ticket, however you want to call it), is only being cited because of a quota, and not because they violated some form of state traffic law.

Its a method for those who are incapable of taking personal responsibility for their actions to attempt to justify what is going on in their own mind.





Pay more attention. I've been personally harassed by a cop who was driving 15 mph under the speed limit...which means he was going a feisty 20 mph, and then trying to race me as I passed him. Naturally, I didn't know the dumb**** was a cop until he pulled up next to me...illegally occupying the right shoulder, and waving his badge at me and yelling "what do you think about this, punk?"
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That sounds like a rare jack ass. There are jack asses in every profession, policing is no exception.

I've a friend who's wife was threated by a cop who didn't like the fact that her daughter beat the pants off his daughter in a soccer practice.
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Now your just sounding stupid.

So, yeah, abuse of power is routine among cops.

Cops are often thugs with badges.
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Now you are stupid.
 
Caine said:
Well, if your sole job is to patrol the highways and enforce traffic laws, then you are going to be expected to perform, to earn your pay.

But when a 'quota' is brought up, it always has a negative connotation that goes along with it, as if the person being cited (given a ticket, however you want to call it), is only being cited because of a quota, and not because they violated some form of state traffic law.

Its a method for those who are incapable of taking personal responsibility for their actions to attempt to justify what is going on in their own mind.
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Except that when one examines the quota system it is a legitimate concern. There shouldn't be a quota system. I fail to see how the quota system falls in line with the idea of "protecting" and "serving".

Now your just sounding stupid.

Now you are stupid.
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I find it amusing that when people bring up stories of specific cops abusing their authority that you automatically side with the cop and insult the person telling the story. Why is it really so hard for you to believe that a cop did this?
 
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