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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    And let me reiterate...Gates is a loud mouthed, race baiting douche bag. But he shouldn't have been arrested.

    And Obama should have kept his big mouth shut.
    On this we agree; but it begs the question, what does a cop do when he confronts a potential suspect during a burglary call and asks them for their ID and cooperation and it is refused?

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    No, the man was obviously upset at how he had been treated.
    Wrong, the man obviously was race baiting the police acting like a complete asshole and attempting to provoke the officers because he obviously has serious mental issues.

    The scary part of this is that morons like this teach in the University system.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    You assume I don't know what it means. I'm not the ignorant one here. Like I said, it's your case, you make it. I understand the nuances of law. If you want to make an argument that "acting reasonably" is a statutory requirement then you better get on your pony and start riding.

    I'll argue this with you, but you are going to have to actually make your case.


    Apparently the agency thought so as they dropped the case and made quite an apology over the situation. When you are right you don't have to do that.



    No he didn't. He gave a lengthy explanation that never actually articulates the elements of the crime. The descriptions of Gates actions do not marry up to the grounds he used to arrest under Massachusetts statute. I can't prove a negative. My point is he didn't provide nearly enough information to make his case based upon the elements of the crime. This isn't that hard to understand.


    Stop right there. Here is the disconnect. He should have known on the scene he didn't have PC based upon the statute he claimed to be enforcing. It wasn't there, period. He invited an irate man to follow him outside then arrests him for "disorderly conduct" citing "tumultuous behavior." The suspect has to have the purpose of committing the crime against the public, the statute is very clear on this, and it is the responsibility of the officer to prove that. This officer did not prove that.


    Sure, as long as the officer is proven right. And this officer was not proven right. In fact all charges were dropped and the department issued what amounted to a strong apology regarding their actions that day. You don't do that when you are right.

    Please let me know if we are going to go down the "he's friends with Obama and that's why this went away" road.

    Here is Gate's short version of events if any of you are interested.



    So who is lying? Who is telling the truth? Do you know?
    Reading that statement I can pretty much argue that Gates is a liar and covering for his asinine behavior.

    I can also assert this based on the officers record and what little facts we have. I would certainly like to hear the perspective of the BLACK cop who was also present when Gates had his little temper tantrum and outbreak of hysterics.

    He appears to be a lying race baiting asshole and the notion that he teaches should be disconcerting to everyone.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    The cops almost always get there real late. How would anyone be able to tell the difference?
    Apparently in this case the cops arrived fairly quickly.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    A great discussion here. I got more information here than in all the TV/Radio I've accessed.

    Based on the stories as they have been coming out, if I was on a jury considering this situation and who is lying and who is providing a factual account, I'd have to side with the cops. Has anyone heard any comments from witnesses contradicting the cops? I have not. I did hear on Fox News that they have discovered that there is a recording from the site of the arrest. That should be interesting. And now our president weighs in stating that the police were being "stupid". Just what is he basing that conclusion on? He obviously sees things through a Rev. Wright filter. Between Bates and Obama they have set race relations back 50 years.

    Have none of these hyper-educated individuals ever heard of a self fulfilling prophesy?
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    A great discussion here. I got more information here than in all the TV/Radio I've accessed.

    Based on the stories as they have been coming out, if I was on a jury considering this situation and who is lying and who is providing a factual account, I'd have to side with the cops. Has anyone heard any comments from witnesses contradicting the cops? I have not. I did hear on Fox News that they have discovered that there is a recording from the site of the arrest. That should be interesting. And now our president weighs in stating that the police were being "stupid". Just what is he basing that conclusion on? He obviously sees things through a Rev. Wright filter. Between Bates and Obama they have set race relations back 50 years.

    Have none of these hyper-educated individuals ever heard of a self fulfilling prophesy?
    Obama's comments are merely a reflection and continuation of his profoundly poor judgement. Get used to it as I am pretty certain there is so much more to come.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    A great discussion here. I got more information here than in all the TV/Radio I've accessed.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    The Massachusetts police unions are asking Obama to apologize.

    Mass. police unions ask Obama for apology - Race & ethnicity- msnbc.com

    Maybe this time, he will actually READ the police report and make an informed statement (hopefully an apology).

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    This police officer has a sterling record as has been covered before. He may well be the Rosa Parks the white race has needed to show we're not going to the back of the bus anymore. We're sick of the racist accusations and racial profiling made on us. Here is the guy who teaches classes on it, who saved the life of a black man through CPR, who has never shown any racism whatsoever, and thus this is a great opportunity to expose the reverse discrimination and profiling going on here.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    The Massachusetts police unions are asking Obama to apologize.

    Mass. police unions ask Obama for apology - Race & ethnicity- msnbc.com

    Maybe this time, he will actually READ the police report and make an informed statement (hopefully an apology).
    Great article:

    Officers speak out
    Many police officers across the country, however, have a message for Obama: Get all the facts before criticizing one of our own. Obama's public criticism that Cambridge officers "acted stupidly" when they arrested Henry Louis Gates Jr. could make it harder for police to work with people of color, some officers said.

    It could even set back the progress in race relations that helped Obama become the nation's first African-American president, they said.

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