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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

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    TV is telling everyone it is racism.

    He is thinking outside of the TV.

    You however, are not.
    Link to the post where I said anything about racism or STFU. Thanks.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

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    Again, I stated that a reasonable person does not need to yell and repeat the same message over and over through normal communication.

    The fact that he came outside to yell and scream the same message over and over and not stop yelling and calm down when asked to do so shows that he had the intent to cause a disturbance, which he was doing.
    No, the man was obviously upset at how he had been treated. Who says he has to be reasonable? There is no law against being unreasonable. There is no law against repeating yourself over and over. We don't know what went down, all we know is what he said and what the report said. Regardless, the event was confined to his house, they asked to take it outside, where a crowd of onlookers gathered to gawk. His emotions were aimed at the police and so were his actions. There is no proof he intended to disturb the public.

    Where is the complaint from the citizen? Without that there is no PC for the arrest.

    We aren't going to agree on this, and that's okay. We are both just repeating our positions at this point.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    No, the man was obviously upset at how he had been treated. Who says he has to be reasonable? There is no law against being unreasonable. There is no law against repeating yourself over and over. We don't know what went down, all we know is what he said and what the report said. Regardless, the event was confined to his house, they asked to take it outside, where a crowd of onlookers gathered to gawk. His emotions were aimed at the police and so were his actions. There is no proof he intended to disturb the public.

    Where is the complaint from the citizen? Without that there is no PC for the arrest.

    We aren't going to agree on this, and that's okay. We are both just repeating our positions at this point.
    Did you read ZETTEL, COMMONWEALTH vs., 46 Mass. App. Ct. 471

    Show me where there were complaints from the citizens in the other cases mentioned in the link, where the statute was upheld.

    EDIT: Most of those cases were also cases where the disorderly conduct was being directed at the police.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    [quote=Lerxst;1058152528]No, the man was obviously upset at how he had been treated.[quote]

    Yeah, it was so awful. He breaks into a house, and the cop that arrives asks him to show some ID. The nerve of that racist cop!


    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Where is the complaint from the citizen? Without that there is no PC for the arrest.
    Utter rot.

    The cop observed the behavior himself. In fact, on public disorderly charges he almost always has to be the witness, unless the accused has committed an act of assault or destruction of property.

    Wake up and stop kissing PC ass.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yeah, it was so awful. He breaks into a house, and the cop that arrives asks him to show some ID. The nerve of that racist cop!
    Because you know exactly how it went down at that moment in time right? And who gives a **** if Gates called him a racist? Some people are douche bags. There's no law against that. If there were some people on this forum would be posting while serving life sentences.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Because you know exactly how it went down at that moment in time right? And who gives a **** if Gates called him a racist? Some people are douche bags. There's no law against that. If there were some people on this forum would be posting while serving life sentences.


    Thats something we can agree with.
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    No, the man was obviously upset at how he had been treated. Who says he has to be reasonable? There is no law against being unreasonable.
    No, that's actually not true. Most state codes are based on the concept that people have a duty to behave reasonably.


    Where is the complaint from the citizen? Without that there is no PC for the arrest.
    The police observing the conduct IS probable cause.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Did you read ZETTEL, COMMONWEALTH vs., 46 Mass. App. Ct. 471

    Show me where there were complaints from the citizens in the other cases mentioned in the link, where the statute was upheld.
    I absolutely did and in that case the cops lost. In the very few cases that were referenced the conduct of the defendants was very much different that what Gates did. Gates wasn't intoxicated, he was resisting apprehension in any way, he was shoving his hands in his pockets when told not to, he wasn't fighting in public. In those cases the cops had more elements of the crime with which to make their case.

    In the Gates case the level of behavior did not rise to the same degree as that of the defendants in the cases cited. I don't have to reference citizen complainants in those cases because they are not relevant to the argument I am making about the circumstances of THIS case. I cited that case for two reasons:
    1. It had the statutory definintion of the crime in question
    2. It provided an example of what disorderly conduct was not.


    EDIT: Most of those cases were also cases where the disorderly conduct was being directed at the police.
    In those cases the elements of the crime were different than in the Gates case. There were additional factors such as public intoxication, resisting apprehension, fighting, etc. It wasn't just a subject yelling at the cops. Which is all that Gates did.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, that's actually not true. Most state codes are based on the concept that people have a duty to behave reasonably.
    Please provide sources, definitions, interpretations, etc. I'll have this argument with you.


    The police observing the conduct IS probable cause.
    No it's not. The police did not observe a criminal act, and that is the problem. Police observed a man who was upset and yelling at them. That's it. There was no crime being committed for them to observe, thus no PC.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Utter rot.

    The cop observed the behavior himself.
    Observed what? A man yelling at him? No ****. There is no crime there. Do you know "elements of a crime" and "culpable mental state" mean there genius?
    In fact, on public disorderly charges he almost always has to be the witness,
    Horse****. Don't talk about things you obviously know nothing about.
    unless the accused has committed an act of assault or destruction of property.
    Citations or just stfu before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. I did this job for a decade and a half smart guy, let's go down this road.
    Wake up and stop kissing PC ass.
    Go back to **** talking Obama, it's about all you're good at.
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