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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Aps...c'mon. Do honestly believe that police write their police reports accurately? No. They are written to justify an arrest. Gates probably did get out of control, after the officers got out of control and failed to accept his offer of identification.
    Too often the police respond to a situation and immediately look for any evidence to substantiate a claim.
    Its the arrest now and ask questions later mentality that has to change in this country.
    Oh, I am sure some police officers don't write accurate reports. This police officer wrote a rather detailed report. I thought the details he provided were such that I found them credible. Now that I know his history (having provided mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to a black man), I am assured of the accuracy of his facts. Why would he lie? Others were present to provide their account of the situation. There was a black police officer present. To me, he would be a complete idiot if he lied about the facts. I don't find him to be an idiot. It's that simple.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Gates is free to say anything he wants in his own home, that's one of those personal freedoms you righties whine about. Remember? The point about this case is that if Dr. Gates, who was named one of the 25 most influential Americans, can be arrested in his own home, what chance does a random black man have?
    Will....you are calling me a righty? Are you serious?

    Did you read the police report? It sounds like you did not based on your above description. Also, that's an inaccurate statement that you can say anything you want in your own home. So if Gates said, "Get the hell out or I'll kill you," are you saying that is perfectly legal?

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Oh, I am sure some police officers don't write accurate reports. This police officer wrote a rather detailed report. I thought the details he provided were such that I found them credible. Now that I know his history (having provided mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to a black man), I am assured of the accuracy of his facts. Why would he lie? Others were present to provide their account of the situation. There was a black police officer present. To me, he would be a complete idiot if he lied about the facts. I don't find him to be an idiot. It's that simple.
    It isn't always about racism. Racism is only one thing that plagues police forces around the country.
    There is also an aura of arrogance and unlimited power and the "code of silence" that plague our police forces.

    Your example you posted is a good example of that. Look for any evidence that justifies what you want to see and ask questions later...oh...and then write your police report in a way to make it look like you did nothing wrong.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It isn't always about racism. Racism is only one thing that plagues police forces around the country.
    There is also an aura of arrogance and unlimited power and the "code of silence" that plague our police forces.

    Your example you posted is a good example of that. Look for any evidence that justifies what you want to see and ask questions later...oh...and then write your police report in a way to make it look like you did nothing wrong.
    I understand the aura of arrogance comment. It appears that Gates had that aura as well. Acutally, it doesn't just appear that he did--he HAD arrogrance. He sounds like a jerk. I'm glad he got his butt hauled into the police station.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Gates is free to say anything he wants in his own home, that's one of those personal freedoms you righties whine about. Remember? The point about this case is that if Dr. Gates, who was named one of the 25 most influential Americans, can be arrested in his own home, what chance does a random black man have?
    Totally irrelevant. The facts only matter to this incident. Only liberals want this to blow up into a national event.

    Here let me show you how your favorite media outlet MSNBC handled it.

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    NATICK, Mass. - A white police sergeant who arrested renowned black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. at his home says he followed procedure and is disappointed by the national debate triggered by the incident, which has drawn criticism from the president on down to local sports radio hosts.
    Gates has demanded an apology from Sgt. James Crowley, who had responded to the home near Harvard University last week to investigate a report of a burglary and demanded the scholar show him identification. Police say Gates at first refused and then accused the officer of racism.
    Gates said Crowley walked into his home without his permission and only arrested him as the professor followed him to the porch, repeatedly demanding the sergeant's name and badge number because he was unhappy over his treatment.
    This is how you liberals portray the facts. "A white [supremicist, of course] police sargeant (no name given because all whiteys are alike)"......" renowned scholar HENRY LOUIS GATES, JR. (famous black that shouldn't be questioned by mere mortals)".

    This is how liberals play media games to introduce racism where there wasn't any before.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    I found the police report. The amount of facts provided by the police officer tell me that this is what actually happened.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    cops hate being yelled at, even when they deserve it.

    Nobody actually gets arrested for yelling at a non cop outside of their home.

    This is simply an example of a cop enjoying the power they hold over people. If cops weren't such sensitive little pricks, they wouldn't be hated so much.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Will....you are calling me a righty? Are you serious?

    Did you read the police report? It sounds like you did not based on your above description. Also, that's an inaccurate statement that you can say anything you want in your own home. So if Gates said, "Get the hell out or I'll kill you," are you saying that is perfectly legal?
    According to the police report, Gates repeatedly yelled charges of racial bias against the cops. In his own home. He did not threaten them. He was within his rights and acting legally. Since the charges have now been dropped, the court agrees.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    According to the police report, Gates repeatedly yelled charges of racial bias against the cops. In his own home. He did not threaten them. He was within his rights and acting legally. Since the charges have now been dropped, the court agrees.
    He was outside of his home when he was yelling at the police officer.

    My point of using threatening words was to point out that just because someone is in their home doesn't mean they can say anything they want and NOT be arrested. That is an incorrect legal statement.

    I think the police (not the court) chose to drop the charges. I agree with that decision. It sounds like Gates got out of hand, but it doesn't warrant him having a police record.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I found the police report. The amount of facts provided by the police officer tell me that this is what actually happened.

    Gates Police Report
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