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Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

I can't help but remember that thread with the lady who claimed a black man had tackled her and carved a "B" into her face because he was an Obama supporter and she had a McCain/Palin shirt on(or bumper sticker or something like that). Lerxst cautioned everyone to wait until more facts surfaced before believing her story. He was attacked for it and later vindicated when it turned out she had done it herself. Just sayin'. :mrgreen:
 
Lerxst said:
So wait a minute, this guys is coming out of his house in hand cuffs. I thought they arrested him out on the sidewalk.

The charge was dropped because it was bull****. Not because these cops were racist. They arrested him on "being an asshole to the cops in public." Unfortunately for them, this guy had a the resources to call them on their nonsense.

Folks who can't take some name calling have no business working in law enforcement.
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How sad that this raving racist black lunatic can treat the men in blue who were responding to a call to protect his property like an asshole.

Perhaps this is just more proof of why the education system in this country is in such a pathetic state, you have assholes like this teaching our youth.

The man was a raving lunatic and deserved to be bitch slapped for it. The ultimate irony would be delightful if next time there is a call for a potential burglary at his house; the cops just ignore it or get there REAL late.

:roll:
 
Truth Detector said:
... the cops just ignore it or get there REAL late.
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The cops almost always get there real late. How would anyone be able to tell the difference? :doh
 
Lerxst said:
And let me reiterate...Gates is a loud mouthed, race baiting douche bag. But he shouldn't have been arrested.

And Obama should have kept his big mouth shut.
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On this we agree; but it begs the question, what does a cop do when he confronts a potential suspect during a burglary call and asks them for their ID and cooperation and it is refused?
 
Lerxst said:
No, the man was obviously upset at how he had been treated.
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Wrong, the man obviously was race baiting the police acting like a complete asshole and attempting to provoke the officers because he obviously has serious mental issues.

The scary part of this is that morons like this teach in the University system.
 
Lerxst said:
You assume I don't know what it means. I'm not the ignorant one here. Like I said, it's your case, you make it. I understand the nuances of law. If you want to make an argument that "acting reasonably" is a statutory requirement then you better get on your pony and start riding.

I'll argue this with you, but you are going to have to actually make your case.


Apparently the agency thought so as they dropped the case and made quite an apology over the situation. When you are right you don't have to do that.



No he didn't. He gave a lengthy explanation that never actually articulates the elements of the crime. The descriptions of Gates actions do not marry up to the grounds he used to arrest under Massachusetts statute. I can't prove a negative. My point is he didn't provide nearly enough information to make his case based upon the elements of the crime. This isn't that hard to understand.


Stop right there. Here is the disconnect. He should have known on the scene he didn't have PC based upon the statute he claimed to be enforcing. It wasn't there, period. He invited an irate man to follow him outside then arrests him for "disorderly conduct" citing "tumultuous behavior." The suspect has to have the purpose of committing the crime against the public, the statute is very clear on this, and it is the responsibility of the officer to prove that. This officer did not prove that.


Sure, as long as the officer is proven right. And this officer was not proven right. In fact all charges were dropped and the department issued what amounted to a strong apology regarding their actions that day. You don't do that when you are right.

Please let me know if we are going to go down the "he's friends with Obama and that's why this went away" road.

Here is Gate's short version of events if any of you are interested.



So who is lying? Who is telling the truth? Do you know?
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Reading that statement I can pretty much argue that Gates is a liar and covering for his asinine behavior.

I can also assert this based on the officers record and what little facts we have. I would certainly like to hear the perspective of the BLACK cop who was also present when Gates had his little temper tantrum and outbreak of hysterics.

He appears to be a lying race baiting asshole and the notion that he teaches should be disconcerting to everyone.
 
A great discussion here. I got more information here than in all the TV/Radio I've accessed.

Based on the stories as they have been coming out, if I was on a jury considering this situation and who is lying and who is providing a factual account, I'd have to side with the cops. Has anyone heard any comments from witnesses contradicting the cops? I have not. I did hear on Fox News that they have discovered that there is a recording from the site of the arrest. That should be interesting. And now our president weighs in stating that the police were being "stupid". Just what is he basing that conclusion on? He obviously sees things through a Rev. Wright filter. Between Bates and Obama they have set race relations back 50 years.

Have none of these hyper-educated individuals ever heard of a self fulfilling prophesy?
 
LowRevs said:
A great discussion here. I got more information here than in all the TV/Radio I've accessed.

Based on the stories as they have been coming out, if I was on a jury considering this situation and who is lying and who is providing a factual account, I'd have to side with the cops. Has anyone heard any comments from witnesses contradicting the cops? I have not. I did hear on Fox News that they have discovered that there is a recording from the site of the arrest. That should be interesting. And now our president weighs in stating that the police were being "stupid". Just what is he basing that conclusion on? He obviously sees things through a Rev. Wright filter. Between Bates and Obama they have set race relations back 50 years.

Have none of these hyper-educated individuals ever heard of a self fulfilling prophesy?
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Obama's comments are merely a reflection and continuation of his profoundly poor judgement. Get used to it as I am pretty certain there is so much more to come.
 
LowRevs said:
A great discussion here. I got more information here than in all the TV/Radio I've accessed.
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Is that the Diligence in your sig?
 
This police officer has a sterling record as has been covered before. He may well be the Rosa Parks the white race has needed to show we're not going to the back of the bus anymore. We're sick of the racist accusations and racial profiling made on us. Here is the guy who teaches classes on it, who saved the life of a black man through CPR, who has never shown any racism whatsoever, and thus this is a great opportunity to expose the reverse discrimination and profiling going on here.
 
aps said:
The Massachusetts police unions are asking Obama to apologize.

Mass. police unions ask Obama for apology - Race & ethnicity- msnbc.com

Maybe this time, he will actually READ the police report and make an informed statement (hopefully an apology).
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Great article:

Officers speak out
Many police officers across the country, however, have a message for Obama: Get all the facts before criticizing one of our own. Obama's public criticism that Cambridge officers "acted stupidly" when they arrested Henry Louis Gates Jr. could make it harder for police to work with people of color, some officers said.

It could even set back the progress in race relations that helped Obama become the nation's first African-American president, they said.
 
apdst said:
So, the next time this cop sees a black dude, literally busting down the door of Dr. Gates's house, or anyone else's home in the neighborhood, he should ignore it and go on, because, last time, he got in trouble and was made to look like a racist asshole, on a national scale?

What if it had been a real robber, and, the cop did nothing? Then what? Gates would have been crying about how the cops didn't look for his crib, because he's black. That's what.

How hard would it have been just to cooperate, produce some ID, and it's all good?

How can it be that someone with multiple college degrees is too stupid not to have his key on his person, nor have a spare key hid out somewhere?
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No amount of college degrees can replace "common sense" nor can cover up a lack of esteem..Or, and this may not apply, but there is little difference between a fool and an educated fool..
The police ?
They too need an improved attitude, if they think they are without sin....
 
Truth Detector said:
Reading that statement I can pretty much argue that Gates is a liar and covering for his asinine behavior.

I can also assert this based on the officers record and what little facts we have. I would certainly like to hear the perspective of the BLACK cop who was also present when Gates had his little temper tantrum and outbreak of hysterics.

He appears to be a lying race baiting asshole and the notion that he teaches should be disconcerting to everyone.
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until I hear of an actual citizen complaint of disturbing the peace, the officer is in the wrong.

And since they said they acted wrong and dropped the charges, I think that pretty much wraps it up.

Cops wrong, Gates an asshole. nothing more to see here.
 
ARealConservative said:
until I hear of an actual citizen complaint of disturbing the peace, the officer is in the wrong.
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But that isn't the case here is it.

ARealConservative said:
And since they said they acted wrong and dropped the charges, I think that pretty much wraps it up.
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The cops did not act "wrong" that is your OPINION and their Union is currently supporting the actions of their fellow cops and demanding appologies.

The fact that the charges were dropped doesn't implicate the cops as having done something wrong.

ARealConservative said:
Gates an asshole.
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Well right, one out of three is not too bad considering.

:2wave:
 
So lets review.


Obama calls white people like his grandmother racist.

Attends a Racist church.

Appoints a racist to the supreme court.

Defends an anti white bigot who slandered a cop.

And I just heard, I got to find, is that he said something about the union who is demanding an apology, backed mccain.



D00d is a flat out racist.
 
Truth Detector said:
But that isn't the case here is it.
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correct, no citizen complained.

The cops did not act "wrong" that is your OPINION and their Union is currently supporting the actions of their fellow cops and demanding appologies.
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The union is asking Obama to apologize, not Gates.

And I like how you are now on record using the opinion of a union as your defense. :mrgreen:
 
Lerxst said:
And touching a bouncer is assault. That is more than a simple peace disturbance.

Thus far nobody has successfully articulated that this man committed an offense that actually meets the statutory definition of "disorderly conduct" under Massachusetts law.
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No.

What's happened is that you've merely refused to acknowledge that Gates' conduct was in fact disorderly, even though the details are already clear.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
No.

What's happened is that you've merely refused to acknowledge that Gates' conduct was in fact disorderly, even though the details are already clear.
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they regret arresting him on this bogus charge, that much is perfectly clear.
 
metreon said:
One doesn't have to claim their was a racial motivation in the arrest, just stupidity.
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Agreed. It was incredibly stupid of Gates to behave that way if, in fact, he didn't want to be arrested. The cop did everything by the book, and was not stupid at all.

The only other stupid person I've seen regarding this issue, besides Gates, is The Messiah, who had no business injecting his ignorant bigotted opinion in a strictly local completely unimportant issue.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
What bogus charge?

He was arrested, properly, for public disorderliness. You mean there was some other charge filed that hasn't been made public?
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his arrest was dismissed and they formally issued a statement regretting having done so in the first place.
 
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