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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    a man is in his home
    he provides identification upon request
    and THEN he gets arrested

    and you are ok with that

    must be the kool aid
    No- I'm not okay with that at all. I am just stating the truth about this situation. Do you think if Deandre Nobody from Compton got arrested for the same thing, they would drop it? Hell to the no. Gate is a prominent guy and he's going on about it and those police officers don't want the bad publicity or the hassle this will situation will cause. So they drop it.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    It sounds as if no one read the details, - Prof. Gates DID give his license AND Harvard ID to the officer when asked. Identification was NOT the issue. Gates DID identify himself and provided evidence that was his home. But it also sounds like Gates was being obnoxious, too, brow beating the officier.

    The officier had asked Gates to step outside his home, and that is the point at which Gates refused, presumably because he knew his rights better than the officer did. At least that's the story Gates is giving for his refusal to continue to cooperate after he had already identified himself, saying the officer would have needed a warrant to go any further.

    I don't want to defend Gates all the way, because it did sound like he was getting huffy about it all, but still... after the officer saw the ID he should have immediately apologized for the inconvenience, turned around, and left with no further orders or questions asked.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    As EgoffTib put it: "Oh sweet irony...."

    I apologize but I can't continue to debate with someone so full of paranoia and hysteric.


    What I have been wondering is why it is acceptable to jump on and criticize someone for talking bad about potheads and other people who make piss poor life choices, but it is apparently perfectly acceptable to talk crap about the people who are enforcing the laws and keeping the peace.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes. and i also notice that the city now finds that his arrest was unfortunate and inappropriate

    the cops were clearly in the wrong

    what part of that are you unable to see?

    The part where they were in the wrong.

    All I need is that police report that I read to validate my argument.

    Of course, as someone mentioned, its apparently not avaliable anymore.

    But it informed me of the necessary things I needed to know to make the determination that the police were NOT in the wrong.

    Its just yet another race baiting racist black man who the media gives him a pass because he is black.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I apologize but I can't continue to debate with someone so full of paranoia and hysteric.
    I didn't realize there was even a debate going on.

    All I saw was you attacking people who dared to question the police. You are obviously biased so the idea of any sort of reasonable debate happening is a joke.

    What I have been wondering is why it is acceptable to jump on and criticize someone for talking bad about potheads and other people who make piss poor life choices, but it is apparently perfectly acceptable to talk crap about the people who are enforcing the laws and keeping the peace.
    I guess the problem is that you see someone referring to specific instances involving specific cops and you immediately take it as an affront to cops everywhere and that's ridiculous. So no, the two really aren't comparable at all, but nice try.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    a man is in his home
    he provides identification upon request
    and THEN he gets arrested

    and you are ok with that

    must be the kool aid

    Yes, As I stated, he then gets arrested after they leave the home and he follows them outside on the public streets yelling swearing cursing and causing a disturbance that makes nearby residents to stop what they were doing and look over at this madman. He was disturbing the peace on public property and was arrested for disorderly conduct, NOT Breaking or Entering.

    You failure to address that part of my previous post is noted.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I didn't realize there was even a debate going on.

    All I saw was you attacking people who dared to question the police. You are obviously biased so the idea of any sort of reasonable debate happening is a joke.



    I guess the problem is that you see someone referring to specific instances involving specific cops and you immediately take it as an affront to cops everywhere and that's ridiculous. So no, the two really aren't comparable at all, but nice try.
    Patrick do you not read?

    Do I have to, once again, repost the part where he made blanket negative statements about all cops, and then affirmed it in a reply that I fail to address because I know the argument will go nowhere but having to listen to him once again cry and whine "oh poor me" syndrome?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Patrick do you not read?

    Do I have to, once again, repost the part where he made blanket negative statements about all cops, and then affirmed it in a reply that I fail to address because I know the argument will go nowhere but having to listen to him once again cry and whine "oh poor me" syndrome?
    That was one example. You went after my examples as well and I didn't make any blanket statements about cops.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by metreon View Post
    It sounds as if no one read the details, - Prof. Gates DID give his license AND Harvard ID to the officer when asked. Identification was NOT the issue. Gates DID identify himself and provided evidence that was his home. But it also sounds like Gates was being obnoxious, too, brow beating the officier.

    The officier had asked Gates to step outside his home, and that is the point at which Gates refused, presumably because he knew his rights better than the officer did. At least that's the story Gates is giving for his refusal to continue to cooperate after he had already identified himself, saying the officer would have needed a warrant to go any further.

    I don't want to defend Gates all the way, because it did sound like he was getting huffy about it all, but still... after the officer saw the ID he should have immediately apologized for the inconvenience, turned around, and left with no further orders or questions asked.
    In the report I read, Gates never produced a state ID, only a Harvard ID. Whether or not that ID had an address on it is unknown to me, and was not mentioned in the official report, as, the officer still had mentioned that he felt certain (not confirmed) that this was the man's house.

    The officer then went outside where the man continued after him, cursing and acting beligerant and calling him a racist for doing his job () The officer noticed that this man's yelling and cursing was disturbing people in the area, he asked him to calm down several times, the racist black man refused, so he was arrested.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post

    I guess the problem is that you see someone referring to specific instances involving specific cops and you immediately take it as an affront to cops everywhere and that's ridiculous. So no, the two really aren't comparable at all, but nice try.
    Apparently we must go through this again Sir Patrick. I recommend actually reading rather than hitting the reply button as soon as you read my first two words of reply.


    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    So, yeah, abuse of power is routine among cops.

    Cops are often thugs with badges.
    Quote Originally Posted by Caine
    That sounds like a rare jack ass. There are jack asses in every profession, policing is no exception.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Nope, fairly common cop behavior, in fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Oh, yeah, because the preponderance of the evidence is that cops believe they're above the law, they abuse the law, and, oh yeah, they cover up for their fellow cops who do the same.
    Those don't sound like examples of a specific cop.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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