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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Except that when one examines the quota system it is a legitimate concern. There shouldn't be a quota system. I fail to see how the quota system falls in line with the idea of "protecting" and "serving".
    I fail to see how some stupid catch phrase for the duties of police officers made up by the failing LAPD is somehow supposed to be applied to policing in general.

    Its not the job of the police to protect individuals, this has been upheld by the supreme court.

    I also think you failed to recognize I was specifically talking about a Highway Patrol unit, and as stated, that the mission of a highway patrol unit is to patrol the highways and charge offenders for traffic law violations. Highway patrol units do not respond to B/E, Rape, Murder, Robbery, etc. Investigating crashes and enforcing traffic laws, and maintaining the safety of the roadways is their job. Thats it.


    I find it amusing that when people bring up stories of specific cops abusing their authority that you automatically side with the cop and insult the person telling the story. Why is it really so hard for you to believe that a cop did this?
    Because its too 'cliche' coming from many people who have a preconceived dislike for the police in general, which is apparent in Scarecrow's post.

    I can't believe such stories when followed by the rest of his post.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I fail to see how some stupid catch phrase for the duties of police officers made up by the failing LAPD is somehow supposed to be applied to policing in general.

    Its not the job of the police to protect individuals, this has been upheld by the supreme court.

    I also think you failed to recognize I was specifically talking about a Highway Patrol unit, and as stated, that the mission of a highway patrol unit is to patrol the highways and charge offenders for traffic law violations. Highway patrol units do not respond to B/E, Rape, Murder, Robbery, etc. Investigating crashes and enforcing traffic laws, and maintaining the safety of the roadways is their job. Thats it.
    I'm just speaking in general terms about quotas. Perhaps there is a legitimate reason for the system, but I honestly can't see one. Then again, I'm not a cop. However, I can certainly understand why the average joe would be paranoid or feel somewhat victimized with such a system in place. If a person felt like they were being wrongly accused I can certainly see them thinking that the quota system may have something to do with it. The average joe doesn't have the knowledge and information that you have about being a cop so they should be given a bit of a break for that.

    Because its too 'cliche' coming from many people who have a preconceived dislike for the police in general, which is apparent in Scarecrow's post.

    I can't believe such stories when followed by the rest of his post.
    It may be cliche, but it's also probably true. What reason would you have to doubt his story other than your own bias? And I didn't see a preconceived dislike for police in general. I saw him making a statement that some cops are assholes and he gave a couple examples of that.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I'm just speaking in general terms about quotas. Perhaps there is a legitimate reason for the system, but I honestly can't see one. Then again, I'm not a cop. However, I can certainly understand why the average joe would be paranoid or feel somewhat victimized with such a system in place.
    The average joe should have at least enough common sense to realize that if you don't perform your job, you won't have one, and that your work effort is measured in one way or another from fast food, to corporate marketing, and yes, even law enforcement.
    If a person felt like they were being wrongly accused I can certainly see them thinking that the quota system may have something to do with it. The average joe doesn't have the knowledge and information that you have about being a cop so they should be given a bit of a break for that.
    What kind of a break? A break like because they don't know what I know about their speed because they aren't paying attention then they shouldn't be held responsible for their actions? Or, be given a break and continue to allow this stupid "oh, its the end of the month, he must be trying to get his quota" bull**** excuse for getting charged for something they did. I don't consider that the average joe. The average joe takes responsibility for his/her actions when they screw up. Its fools who find a way to blame someone else. Its also these same fools that you will see getting in trouble with the law more often than those who are adult enough to take responsibility when they have done something wrong.

    Do people sometimes get stopped and accused of something they didn't do? Yes. Thats why we have courts. The courts are also a good reason for an officer to not charge someone who isn't doing something wrong. I have yet to meet a member of law enforcement who loves to spend their day in court. In fact, just the opposite, I work with officers who don't do **** all night because they don't want to end up having to go to court, which is inevitable in many cases.



    It may be cliche, but it's also probably true. What reason would you have to doubt his story other than your own bias? And I didn't see a preconceived dislike for police in general. I saw him making a statement that some cops are assholes and he gave a couple examples of that.
    Ahh, you apparently weren't paying attention....

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    So, yeah, abuse of power is routine among cops.

    Cops are often thugs with badges.
    I rest my case, these are blanket statements made by someone who has a dislike for police in general.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The average joe should have at least enough common sense to realize that if you don't perform your job, you won't have one, and that your work effort is measured in one way or another from fast food, to corporate marketing, and yes, even law enforcement.
    Yes, but to the average joe a cop's job is to protect and serve. From their point of view, actively searching for violators to meet a quota seems to go against that creed. I wouldn't put a cop in the same category as a typical job which usually has similar things to make money or raise profits. To the average joe this idea doesn't exactly make sense.

    What kind of a break? A break like because they don't know what I know about their speed because they aren't paying attention then they shouldn't be held responsible for their actions? Or, be given a break and continue to allow this stupid "oh, its the end of the month, he must be trying to get his quota" bull**** excuse for getting charged for something they did. I don't consider that the average joe. The average joe takes responsibility for his/her actions when they screw up. Its fools who find a way to blame someone else. Its also these same fools that you will see getting in trouble with the law more often than those who are adult enough to take responsibility when they have done something wrong.

    Do people sometimes get stopped and accused of something they didn't do? Yes. Thats why we have courts. The courts are also a good reason for an officer to not charge someone who isn't doing something wrong. I have yet to meet a member of law enforcement who loves to spend their day in court. In fact, just the opposite, I work with officers who don't do **** all night because they don't want to end up having to go to court, which is inevitable in many cases.
    No, a break like you shouldn't expect them to automatically know the ins and outs of the police system. A break like you shouldn't criticize them for not agreeing with the quota system when it makes absolutely zero sense to them from their perspective.

    Ahh, you apparently weren't paying attention....

    I rest my case, these are blanket statements made by someone who has a dislike for police in general.
    I agree that those are unnecessary blanket statements, but they are probably based on the personal experiences that he has had with cops. I know a lot of people who have similar generalized views about cops because of the times they've been hassled. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Now your just sounding stupid.
    Oh sweet irony...
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Everything's always a partisan issue with you, too.
    Really? I'm hardly the one whining about Liberals in every thread I enter. Nice try, champ.
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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Interesting, the police report is no longer available for reading. Based on the description provided by the police officer, Gates deserved to be arrested.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Yes, but to the average joe a cop's job is to protect and serve.
    Christ you are still using that stupid 'protect and serve' which is NOT the function of police. AND you are still ignoring that I am specifically talking about Highway Patrol. Whose job it is to patrol and write TRAFFIC citations(tickets) and NOT answer rapes, robbery, etc.
    They don't do it.

    From their point of view, actively searching for violators to meet a quota seems to go against that creed. I wouldn't put a cop in the same category as a typical job which usually has similar things to make money or raise profits. To the average joe this idea doesn't exactly make sense.
    It has nothing to do with raising money or making profits. It has everything to do with enforcing traffic safety laws. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt when it comes to changing someone's driving patterns.



    No, a break like you shouldn't expect them to automatically know the ins and outs of the police system. A break like you shouldn't criticize them for not agreeing with the quota system when it makes absolutely zero sense to them from their perspective.
    I can see I am wasting my time here. Nothing I type is being actually taken into consideration by you when you reply.




    I agree that those are unnecessary blanket statements, but they are probably based on the personal experiences that he has had with cops. I know a lot of people who have similar generalized views about cops because of the times they've been hassled. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch.
    Yeah, well in that case all insurance salesmen, bank representatives, church witnesses, retail clerks, VA representatives, college financial aid liasons, and telemarketers are a bunch of worthless pricks.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Oh sweet irony...
    Do you actually have something to say, or are your one liners all you can come up with?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Top scholar Gates arrested in Mass., claims racism

    from the cited article of the OP, it appears gates was INSIDE his home
    he provided the requested identification
    and THEN he was arrested
    appears that the cops did not appreciate that gates both knew and asserted his rights
    Friends of Gates said he was already in his home when police arrived. He showed his driverís license and Harvard identification card, but was handcuffed and taken into police custody for several hours last Thursday, they said.

    The police report said Gates was arrested after he yelled at the investigating officer repeatedly inside the residence then followed the officer outside, where Gates continued to upbraid him. "It was at that time that I informed Professor Gates that he was under arrest,'' the officer wrote in the report.
    the city of cambridge will soon make gates a wealthier man

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