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    Re: Saudi princess 'given UK asylum'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'm not being obtuse...I am literally just ignorant of what you are talking about. Can you further explain, please?
    Europe would say it was a breach of her human rights. UK cannot even deport terrorists who "may" face torture inside Jordan so there is no way that we can now deport her now that she here.

    Our process means she can take her deportation case to high court (which would take years anyway and waste taxpayers money) and if she doesn't get the answer she wishes, take it to EUCoHR and it'll uphold her status
    For example UK court said yes to deport Abu but EU said no and we got stuck with a known nut who had links with terrorists.

    The judgment, from which there is no appeal once it decides, binds all the countries of the Council of Europe, including Britain. EU court of human rights has already reaffirmed the prohibition on return to torture in case Saadi v. Italy and if we ignored the ruling, well ... What would happen if a US state refused to abide by a supreme court ruling? Think along those lines.
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    Re: Saudi princess 'given UK asylum'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Europe would say it was a breach of her human rights. UK cannot even deport terrorists who "may" face torture inside Jordan so there is no way that we can now deport her now that she here.

    Our process means she can take her deportation case to high court (which would take years anyway and waste taxpayers money) and if she doesn't get the answer she wishes, take it to EUCoHR and it'll uphold her status
    For example UK court said yes to deport Abu but EU said no and we got stuck with a known nut who had links with terrorists.

    The judgment, from which there is no appeal once it decides, binds all the countries of the Council of Europe, including Britain. EU court of human rights has already reaffirmed the prohibition on return to torture in case Saadi v. Italy and if we ignored the ruling, well ... What would happen if a US state refused to abide by a supreme court ruling? Think along those lines.
    So basically, European countries have given up their sovereignty.

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    Re: Saudi princess 'given UK asylum'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So basically, European countries have given up their sovereignty.
    They gave it up a long time ago.

    UK's soverignty got stolen by Brown and Blair in the hopes of this pipedream of a superstate federal Europe. United Europe.
    He refused us a referedum he promised in manifesto and ignored the will of the people to force us closer to EU and EU wishes to force through lisbon
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    Re: Saudi princess 'given UK asylum'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Ours got stolen by Brown and Blair in the hopes of this pipedream of a superstate federal Europe. United Europe.
    He refused us a referedum he promised in manifesto and ignored the will of the people to force us closer to EU.
    Looking at our history, such deep idealogical divides usually result in a civil war somewhere down the line.

    I imagine this whole EU thing will last about 25 years. Then it's curtains for the whole idea.

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    Re: Saudi princess 'given UK asylum'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Looking at our history, such deep idealogical divides usually result in a civil war somewhere down the line.

    I imagine this whole EU thing will last about 25 years. Then it's curtains for the whole idea.
    Europe has had centuries of war.

    But you are right, we will fight. At least with US, almost none of the states has had a long period of time as a single soverign nation with its own currency, history and traditions. Europe has that.

    You have no idea what filth the lisbon treaty is. Decisions will be made on majority vote
    Imagine losing control of border and trade and get a President you yourself do not choose but a minor few choose *shudders*


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    Re: Saudi princess 'given UK asylum'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Europe has had centuries of war.

    But you are right, we will fight. At least with US, almost none of the states has had a long period of time as a single soverign nation with its own currency, history and traditions. Europe has that.

    You have no idea what filth the lisbon treaty is. Decisions will be made on majority vote
    Imagine losing control of border and trade and get a President you yourself do not choose but a minor few choose *shudders*
    But you still keep your own heads of state, right?

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    Re: Saudi princess 'given UK asylum'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    But you still keep your own heads of state, right?
    Yeah i just checked, we do.
    Our Monarch is going no where.


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    Re: Saudi princess 'given UK asylum'

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Would a Saudi prince also be stoned to death?
    More than likely beheaded. Since he's a prince, he would get to die quickly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Saudi princess 'given UK asylum'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yeah i just checked, we do.
    Our Monarch is going no where.
    But what about your Prime Minister and such...they still retain their authority, right?

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    Re: Saudi princess 'given UK asylum'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    But what about your Prime Minister and such...they still retain their authority, right?
    As i said. Barely.

    Legislative power has slowly been sucked out of Parliament and into Brussels over the past decade since Labour has been in power.
    Legislation passed in brussels by unelected people and if elected, not those who represent us isn't even debated by our parliamentaries, our elected representatives but goes immediately onto the books. Its embarassing. You have no idea how good you have it in US. No matter how much Obama screws up, at least congress gets a say and debates on bills. We don't even get that over here. Bills can be forced through against the will of the people at a whim.
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