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    Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    A day after releasing a damning report on Operation Cast Lead, and amid accusations that it is operating without transparency, the group Breaking the Silence on Thursday presented The Jerusalem Post with its donor list for the year 2008, which included several European governments.

    On Wednesday, Breaking the Silence released a report including testimonies from 26 unnamed soldiers who participated in the campaign and which claimed that the IDF used Gazans as human shields, improperly fired incendiary white phosphorous shells over civilian areas and used overwhelming firepower that caused needless deaths and destruction.

    On Thursday, military sources and NGO Monitor - a Jerusalem-based research organization - raised suspicions regarding Breaking the Silence's setup as a nonprofit limited company and not an amuta, or nonprofit organization. The difference is that an amuta is required by law to publicly declare the identity of its donors. A limited company is not always required to do so.
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    One senior security official noted the Breaking the Silence report came fast on the heels of highly critical reports issued earlier this month by Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the International Committee of the Red Cross, giving the impression that the groups were coordinating the timing of their reports to "magnify their impact."

    The Breaking the Silence report was for the most part based on hearsay and rumor, and not facts, the senior security official said.

    Meanwhile, reports that Human Rights Watch used its work against Israel, and its withstanding "pro-Israel pressure groups" as a selling point to solicit funds in Saudi Arabia, are creating waves in the blogosphere, with Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic monthly asking HRW's executive director Ken Roth in an e-mail exchange if this was indeed what the group did in Riyadh in May.
    Following the quashed internal investigations at the BBC and the Guardian on their anti-semitic reporting a year or so back, this comes as no surprise, either.

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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Picaro View Post
    Following the quashed internal investigations at the BBC and the Guardian on their anti-semitic reporting a year or so back, this comes as no surprise, either.
    I wish i had a 'playing the anti semetic card - Guaranteed to win the argument if drawn out'

    I don't see Pro Israelis moaning at media like FOX who are in favour of them and against Palestinians. Just because BBC is one of the biggest, oldest and most influential.
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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Classic right wing tactic of attacking the messengers instead of dealing with the reality of the situation. So what if the organisation has received money from outside Israel?
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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    *pro-Israeli post. Thanks from Tasha.*

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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Classic right wing tactic of attacking the messengers instead of dealing with the reality of the situation. So what if the organisation has received money from outside Israel?
    Lefties are no different. Lefties mock Fox and any other news source they dislike.
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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I wish i had a 'playing the anti semetic card - Guaranteed to win the argument if drawn out'
    Yes, it is frustrating for critics of Israel when they have nothing to argue, just monotonous repeats of anti-semitic 'talking points'; I agree with you here.

    I don't see Pro Israelis moaning at media like FOX who are in favour of them and against Palestinians. Just because BBC is one of the biggest, oldest and most influential.
    I don't watch FOX, so maybe you can find somebody who does. The BBC is open to criticism of it's heavily biased reporting, just like any other 'news' agency, regardless of it's size, and certainly because of it's 'influence'.

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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Classic right wing tactic of attacking the messengers instead of dealing with the reality of the situation. So what if the organisation has received money from outside Israel?
    After years of Israel's defenders being accused of being on somebody's payroll, it's obvious why receiving aid from governments to spread every lie possible is important, whether faux 'peace activists' like it or not is of no consequence.

    Regarding 'dealing with the reality of the situation', this is hilarious hyperbole, coming from somebody who adamantly refuses to deal with the reality of the situation.

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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Picaro View Post
    After years of Israel's defenders being accused of being on somebody's payroll, it's obvious why receiving aid from governments to spread every lie possible is important, whether faux 'peace activists' like it or not is of no consequence.

    Regarding 'dealing with the reality of the situation', this is hilarious hyperbole, coming from somebody who adamantly refuses to deal with the reality of the situation.
    First off Israel's "defenders" have been hiding behind the "anti semitic" card since 1948 and continue to do so. That means any criticism of them or Israel usually is brushed off with that card regardless of the facts which is exactly what you are doing here and I suspect that after this post the "anti-semitic" card will be thrown around as usual by the usual suspects and the thread will yet again be dead.

    The reality of the situation is pretty simple. We KNOW that the IDF have used human shields before during their clearing of Palestinian houses.. how do we know this? Because it was caught on freaking camera a few years ago in the west bank. And there the IDF had the balls to first dismiss the accusation but when they saw the pictures they had to backtrack big time. It is a proven "technique" by the IDF. We also know that the IDF used white phospherous during the Gaza operations in civilian areas.. how do we know this? Because it was caught by every freaking camera focused on Gaza at the IDF controlled "media hotspots". But the IDF also here denied using the stuff in civilian areas.. Dude... most of the fighting was in civilian areas.... and the smoking rocks on the streets of Gaza were not lava rocks from lava lamps.

    In both cases, the IDF have denied any wrong doing... so one has to ask who is telling the truth here. The IDF or the critics? Considering that the IDF has been caught several times in very questionable rebuttles and the only investigations that have been done, have been done by the IDF and of course the IDF cleared the IDF of any wrong doing....

    Sorry I do not trust the IDF more than I trust Hamas or any of the militant radicals in the area, and considering the amount of independent information coming out about this and other war crimes by the IDF, then the only ones that can seriously believe that the IDF are "angels" have to be hard core pro Israel freaks.
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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    First off Israel's "defenders" have been hiding behind the "anti semitic" card since 1948 and continue to do so. That means any criticism of them or Israel usually is brushed off with that card regardless of the facts which is exactly what you are doing here and I suspect that after this post the "anti-semitic" card will be thrown around as usual by the usual suspects and the thread will yet again be dead..
    There are enough anti-semites in this world for the anti-semitism to be a real and existing problem, just like racism towards blacks and racism towards any other group.
    When you're saying that all of the pro-Israelis 'have been hiding behind the "anti semitic" card since 1948', not only do you try to paint an unreal situation, as if the anti-semitism problem doesn't exist, and that people are just bluffing it, you're also partaking in a generalization of an entire opinion group. (Pro-Israelis)
    This is coming from a person who seems to care for human rights, and I don't know if to call it hypocrisy or simply a disgusting behavior.
    The reality of the situation is pretty simple. We KNOW that the IDF have used human shields before during their clearing of Palestinian houses.. how do we know this? Because it was caught on freaking camera a few years ago in the west bank. And there the IDF had the balls to first dismiss the accusation but when they saw the pictures they had to backtrack big time. It is a proven "technique" by the IDF.
    False, the IDF did not admit using human shields as a common tactic, this is far from being the truth.
    e also know that the IDF used white phospherous during the Gaza operations in civilian areas
    The white phospherous rounds had clearly targetted buildings that were used by Hamas.
    most of the fighting was in civilian areas....
    You clearly do not know the definition of a civilian area.
    Once the local government(AKA the terrorist organization of Hamas) had decided to make a military outpost/zone out of the area, it is no longer a civilian area.
    Considering that the IDF has been caught several times in very questionable rebuttles
    Pallywood works hard to satisfy its viewers.
    Those people who 'capture the IDF crimes' on camera are the same ones who criticize it.
    A biased capture of events cannot be called a documentary, but rather, a fiction.
    Sorry I do not trust the IDF more than I trust Hamas or any of the militant radicals in the area
    Fine with me, I do not trust European far-leftists radicals more than I trust Hamas or any other inhuman terrorist being.
    then the only ones that can seriously believe that the IDF are "angels" have to be hard core pro Israel freaks.
    But apparently, they're not the only ones.
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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    There are enough anti-semites in this world for the anti-semitism to be a real and existing problem, just like racism towards blacks and racism towards any other group.
    When you're saying that all of the pro-Israelis 'have been hiding behind the "anti semitic" card since 1948', not only do you try to paint an unreal situation, as if the anti-semitism problem doesn't exist, and that people are just bluffing it, you're also partaking in a generalization of an entire opinion group. (Pro-Israelis)
    This is coming from a person who seems to care for human rights, and I don't know if to call it hypocrisy or simply a disgusting behavior.
    And you are living in the twilight zone. There is no doubt there is anti-semitism in the world but that is not what I am talking about.

    Time and time again Israel has broken international laws, human rights and the rights of its own citizens and has been called on it. Time and time again the critics have been slammed as anti-semites or worse, even on these boards. I know, I have been slammed as one more than often and hence I stay clear of these threads normally.

    Time and time again the holocaust has been brought up in official interviews by the Israeli government in situations where you have to ask yourself.. what the hell is the relevance!? A rocket fired from Gaza into Israel making a hole in a field and the official Israeli government spokesman has bring up the holocaust? Time and time again Israel has gotten away with stuff that the world and the US has condemned other nations for doing. It has nothing to do with anti-semitism but has everything to do with Israel playing the anti-semitism card in conjunction with the holocaust guilt card to deflect attention away from their actions.. after all no one likes being labled a Nazi by a Jew ... it is political suicide in any country in the West.

    False, the IDF did not admit using human shields as a common tactic, this is far from being the truth.
    No they denied it at first. They attacked the news organisations claiming it, and the Palestinians of course. They called them every name in the book (in a polite way of course), but when actual video surfaced of the IDF using this tactic, then the IDF suddenly went the typical way "isolated incident" bla bla.. bull****. The complaints of these tactics have come from all over the West Bank at the time and since from Gaza.. I know fully well that the IDF cant official condone such tactics, just as the US officially did not torture, but everyone knows it is happening.

    The white phospherous rounds had clearly targetted buildings that were used by Hamas.
    LOL, yea, Hamas was in UN buildings, schools, and every building on many many many streets of Gaza.. You do know that Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth right?

    You clearly do not know the definition of a civilian area.
    Where civilians are.. aka residential areas and commercial areas (shops and markets) is the narrowest definition you can get.

    Once the local government(AKA the terrorist organization of Hamas) had decided to make a military outpost/zone out of the area, it is no longer a civilian area.
    Ahh the ultimate excuse.. and clearly shows the hypocrisy of the Isreali side. Then we can use the same excuse for the rockets hitting Israel. Since every Israeli has to serve in the IDF and can be called up at any time, then all areas of Israel is military area, and hence not civilian areas. Hence rockets and attacks against Israel are against military targets, and hence not terror.. Hence there is no terror against Israel.

    Pallywood works hard to satisfy its viewers.
    Those people who 'capture the IDF crimes' on camera are the same ones who criticize it.
    A biased capture of events cannot be called a documentary, but rather, a fiction.
    Typical excuse by the IDF and its supporters. I guess all the worlds media viewing from official IDF view platforms during the Gaza offensive are "pallywood" now, since they all reported and showed clear use of white phospherous in civilian areas. Not to mention hospital reports, UN reports, and other NGO reports on the issue.. but hey they are all Jew haters right? Plus the very fact that the IDF limits journalists access to the West Bank (kinda funny considering the official line is that the Palestinians control their own areas...), then exposing the abuse by the IDF of Palestinians has to come from "dubious sources" as you would say. But no matter what, you can not stage or "cut together" the IDF soldiers pushing a Palestinian man ahead of them while going into apartments... nore can you hide the fact when IDF soldiers do abuse Palestinians in front of international media..

    Fine with me, I do not trust European far-leftists radicals more than I trust Hamas or any other inhuman terrorist being.
    But apparently, they're not the only ones.
    Considering the far leftist radicals mostly died out in the 1970s and 1980s or are behind bars, then it is easy "not to trust" them.. since they are not around any more.

    Listen I do not give the Palestinian radicals any free pass what so ever. Their actions against Israel and civilians are pathetic and I condemn them to the fullest. However I also do not give Israel a free pass based on religious or historical facts, like many do in especially the US.. if Israel tortures, bombs civilian areas, kills civilians and does other stuff that are against international law (not to mention local law) or even worse does the same as the Palestinians.. then I believe we should call out Israel and question where or not it is not best to cut them loose along with the Palestinians and just let them fight it out. Both sides are radical fanatics that have zero intention of wanting peace for their citizens.
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