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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Apocalypse, this is not a conventional war of an army against another army. They are breaking the rules and so is the IDF. The IDF has no choice but to break those rules because of the nature of the conflict ? fine, but at least admit it .
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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Both sides are radical fanatics that have zero intention of wanting peace for their citizens.
    Lol. And the circle is unbroken. Every week you astound and astonish.

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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And you are living in the twilight zone.
    Yeah? Well you live in Europe.
    Time and time again Israel has broken international laws, human rights and the rights of its own citizens and has been called on it.
    Israel was never convicted for any alleged war crime.
    Time and time again the critics have been slammed as anti-semites or worse, even on these boards. I know, I have been slammed as one more than often and hence I stay clear of these threads normally.
    Even if it does happen, you still just generalized an entire opinion group as if that's what every pro-Israeli does.
    I for one only call out on real anti-Semites, and I've already seen some members that match this definition.
    While being anti-Israeli does not mean being an anti-Semite, the two are commonly bundled together by many people in the world.
    You can see how many non-Israelis Jews have been attacked after operation cast lead or the 2006 Lebanon war.
    Time and time again the holocaust has been brought up in official interviews by the Israeli government in situations where you have to ask yourself.. what the hell is the relevance!? A rocket fired from Gaza into Israel making a hole in a field and the official Israeli government spokesman has bring up the holocaust?
    I want reference for those 'times and times again'.
    Show me when did the Israeli government do that.
    Time and time again Israel has gotten away with stuff that the world and the US has condemned other nations for doing.
    Such as?
    No they denied it at first. They attacked the news organisations claiming it, and the Palestinians of course. They called them every name in the book (in a polite way of course), but when actual video surfaced of the IDF using this tactic, then the IDF suddenly went the typical way "isolated incident" bla bla.. bull****.
    Whatcha talking about?
    The IDF investigates whenever a rumor of a misdeed arises.
    The times it finds that individuals have indeed done so, it takes it to the court, and the individuals are punished.
    That's how every western army in the world works.
    LOL, yea, Hamas was in UN buildings, schools, and every building on many many many streets of Gaza..
    ...The fact that you find it to be funny shows how non-connected you are to reality.
    Hamas does indeed fire from UN buildings, schools and what not.
    And just for the protocol, so'z Hezbollah.
    You do know that Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth right?
    No it isn't.
    And you can only blame the Palestinians for making so many children, it shouldn't be anyone else fault.
    Where civilians are.. aka residential areas and commercial areas (shops and markets) is the narrowest definition you can get.
    If it's a military outpost, it's a military zone.
    As simple as it gets.
    Ahh the ultimate excuse.. and clearly shows the hypocrisy of the Isreali side. Then we can use the same excuse for the rockets hitting Israel. Since every Israeli has to serve in the IDF and can be called up at any time, then all areas of Israel is military area, and hence not civilian areas. Hence rockets and attacks against Israel are against military targets, and hence not terror.. Hence there is no terror against Israel

    No, that is definitely not 'using the same logic'.
    You are very uneducated on how the military works in a state where the army is compulsory.
    Those who are under the military are soldiers, the rest are civilians, whether they've served in the past or not, and whether they'll serve in the future or not.
    Typical excuse by the IDF and its supporters.
    Typical claim for excuses by the European far-leftist extremists and their supported. (Yes, supported)
    I guess all the worlds media viewing from official IDF view platforms during the Gaza offensive are "pallywood" now, since they all reported and showed clear use of white phospherous in civilian areas. Not to mention hospital reports, UN reports, and other NGO reports on the issue
    They do not know better.
    They base all of (and I mean all of) their results on witnesses accounts.
    but hey they are all Jew haters right?
    I never said it.
    I find it hilarious that you need to demonize me in order to bring any drop of truth for your arguments.
    That's just pathetic.
    Plus the very fact that the IDF limits journalists access to the West Bank
    Gaza strip, not West Bank.
    But hey, I didn't expect you to know what you're talking about.
    nore can you hide the fact when IDF soldiers do abuse Palestinians in front of international media
    I am fully aware that some individuals have abused Palestinians and hurt their rights.
    Those are punished by the law, just like in any other western army in the world.
    What do you think that will happen with the marine that murdered nearly a whole family in Iraq?
    He'll be punished.
    Same will happen with the soldier who shot a rubber bullet in the foot of that detainee.
    (Do you find the difference in the level of severity between the cases? Of course you don't. )
    Considering the far leftist radicals mostly died out in the 1970s and 1980s or are behind bars, then it is easy "not to trust" them.. since they are not around any more.
    Oh really.
    So the far-left doesn't exist anymore?
    Realllllly.
    Listen I do not give the Palestinian radicals any free pass what so ever. Their actions against Israel and civilians are pathetic and I condemn them to the fullest. However I also do not give Israel a free pass based on religious or historical facts, like many do in especially the US.. if Israel tortures, bombs civilian areas, kills civilians and does other stuff that are against international law (not to mention local law) or even worse does the same as the Palestinians.. then I believe we should call out Israel and question where or not it is not best to cut them loose along with the Palestinians and just let them fight it out. Both sides are radical fanatics that have zero intention of wanting peace for their citizens.
    Comparing between a bomb that takes out a head-terrorist along with civilian casualties, to a suicide bomber who bombs himself up in a school bus or a mall to kill as many people as possible, because they are Israeli/Jews, is simply wrong.
    Israel has never been and will never be in the terrorist's level, not even a billion light years close.
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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    Apocalypse, this is not a conventional war of an army against another army. They are breaking the rules and so is the IDF. The IDF has no choice but to break those rules because of the nature of the conflict ? fine, but at least admit it .
    I know it does its best to maintain those rules, even when the enemy are a bunch of terror-embracing civis.
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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Time and time again Israel has broken international laws, human rights and the rights of its own citizens and has been called on it. Time and time again the critics have been slammed as anti-semites or worse, even on these boards. I know, I have been slammed as one more than often and hence I stay clear of these threads normally.

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    There is a much simpler solution to this problem than you might imagine. Were you to infuse your rhetoric with a bit of fairness, desist in the one sided demonization, stop the hypocritical finger pointing, refrain from the dishonest framing techniques, stop inversing of cause and effect, and in general stop making it so patently obvious that you hate the targets that you attack to the exclusion of all else, then perhaps people would not come away with the notion that you hate them.

    I find it odd that people who so routinely slam anything and everything to do with Israel --and this to the exclusion of anything else they might be slamming including honor killings, female genital mutilation, very real genocide, totalitarianism, religious oppression and various other human rights issues -- could possibly lack the introspection necessary to evaluate how their absolute mania for attacking the Jewish state comes off. How could it be called anything else?
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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Picaro View Post

    I don't watch FOX, so maybe you can find somebody who does. The BBC is open to criticism of it's heavily biased reporting, just like any other 'news' agency, regardless of it's size, and certainly because of it's 'influence'.
    The BBC is not heavily biased nor does it lie. Just because it doesn't bow down and go 100% on Israel's side means nothing but it is a decent media organisation.


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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    The BBC is not heavily biased nor does it lie. Just because it doesn't bow down and go 100% on Israel's side means nothing but it is a decent media organisation.
    As far as I know, that organization that is supposed to watch out for BBC bias has found not long ago that the head-director of the Mideast section in the BBC news was heavily biased against Israel.
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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    As far as I know, that organization that is supposed to watch out for BBC bias has found not long ago that the head-director of the Mideast section in the BBC news was heavily biased against Israel.

    Report on BBC's anti-Israel bias will stay secret | Mail Online


    Not only are they biased, but corrupt judges are helping them stonewall that fact.
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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Report on BBC's anti-Israel bias will stay secret | Mail Online


    Not only are they biased, but corrupt judges are helping them stonewall that fact.
    Now why would they want it hidden so badly.
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    Re: Europeans funding 'Breaking the Silence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    As far as I know, that organization that is supposed to watch out for BBC bias has found not long ago that the head-director of the Mideast section in the BBC news was heavily biased against Israel.
    The BBC panel? IBC?

    Now for a newstation that is so biased against Israel, why would BBC itself call for a internal report and review on it?


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