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    Re: Walter Cronkite, Iconic Anchorman, Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    You are a bit correct in that the military victory was not there byThe COMMIES with TET 68 but I must say that they did show that they couls coordinate a countrywide attack. We also need to remeber that the Communists were not in a position to hold targets for any lenght of time they just wanted to show that they could hit "everywhere".

    We must also remember that even the North Vietnamese recognized that Tet was a massive failure.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Walter Cronkite, Iconic Anchorman, Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    That's the opinion of Melvin Laird with the emphasis on opinion. The "support" that we withdrew was the active combat by our forces we still gve them equipment. The funding that congress withdrew was American combat forces. The sad fact remains historically correct and that is that the South Vietnamese government did not have good support from it's own people. That is why I have allways said that we lost the political war in Vietnam.
    Our statements need not be mutually exclusive. The ARVN won some serious battles without us but they couldn't continue without our promised support.

    The proof lay in the 1972 Easter Offensive. This was the biggest offensive push of the war, greater in magnitude than either the 1968 Tet offensive or the final assault of 1975. The US provided massive air and naval support and there were inevitable failures on the part of some ARVN units, but all in all, the South Vietnamese fought well. Then, having blunted the communist thrust, they recaptured territory that had been lost to Hanoi. Finally, so effective was the eleven-day "Christmas bombing" campaign (LINEBACKER II) later that year that the British counterinsurgency expert, Sir Robert Thompson exclaimed, "you had won the war. It was over."

    Three years later, despite the heroic performance of some ARVN units, South Vietnam collapsed against a much weaker, cobbled-together NVA offensive. What happened to cause this reversal?

    First, the Nixon administration, in its rush to extricate the country from Vietnam, forced South Vietnam to accept a cease fire that permitted NVA forces to remain in South Vietnam. Then in an act that still shames the United States to this day, Congress cut off military and economic assistance to South Vietnam. Finally, President Nixon resigned over Watergate and his successor, constrained by congressional action, defaulted on promises to respond with force to North Vietnamese violations of the peace terms. Mr. Sorley describes in detail the logistical and operational consequences for the ARVN of our having starved them of promised support for three years.
    http://www.claremont.org/publication...pub_detail.asp

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    Re: Walter Cronkite, Iconic Anchorman, Dies

    VN was not a total loss for the U.S. The main objective was to keep the Soviets from building a major naval base in VN, and that objective was achieved, by Nixon and Kissinger in 1971. Winning the civil war was patently impossible for an outside power, but the strategic goal was more or less settled. Many times just breaking even is a plus when it comes to foreign policy goals, and we broke better than even in VN, despite taking a hit in prestige and political ambitions.

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    Re: Walter Cronkite, Iconic Anchorman, Dies

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    Especially when people such as yourself support that idiotic mentality.
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    Re: Walter Cronkite, Iconic Anchorman, Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Picaro View Post
    VN was not a total loss for the U.S. The main objective was to keep the Soviets from building a major naval base in VN, and that objective was achieved, by Nixon and Kissinger in 1971. Winning the civil war was patently impossible for an outside power, but the strategic goal was more or less settled. Many times just breaking even is a plus when it comes to foreign policy goals, and we broke better than even in VN, despite taking a hit in prestige and political ambitions.
    I don't think the Soviets ever had a chance to develop influence inside VN. Throughout the war we claimed we were fighting Communism, when all we were doing is meddling in a fairly trifling civil war in the middle of nowhere.

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    Re: Walter Cronkite, Iconic Anchorman, Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I don't think the Soviets ever had a chance to develop influence inside VN. Throughout the war we claimed we were fighting Communism, when all we were doing is meddling in a fairly trifling civil war in the middle of nowhere.
    Who do you think was selling all that Soviet hardware to the North Vietnamese?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Walter Cronkite, Iconic Anchorman, Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I don't think the Soviets ever had a chance to develop influence inside VN. Throughout the war we claimed we were fighting Communism, when all we were doing is meddling in a fairly trifling civil war in the middle of nowhere.
    Hmm Really so I guess all of those Mig17 and 21 were flown by the NVAF right and let me see where did all of those SA-2 and SA-4 come from hmmm, oh and all of those nice AK's and RPG's and MKARV were did they all come from then.

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    Re: Walter Cronkite, Iconic Anchorman, Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Hmm Really so I guess all of those Mig17 and 21 were flown by the NVAF right and let me see where did all of those SA-2 and SA-4 come from hmmm, oh and all of those nice AK's and RPG's and MKARV were did they all come from then.
    The Taliban use American weapons too, how much influence do we have with them?

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    Re: Walter Cronkite, Iconic Anchorman, Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    The Taliban use American weapons too, how much influence do we have with them?
    The Taliban doesn't use American weapons.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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