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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What in the **** is your problem? YOU were the one who mentioned meth, I just responded to it! If you didn't want to talk about it anymore, you could have just not responded instead of being a douchebag. Get a ****ing grip.
    There's a significant difference between briefly mentioning something is passing and devoting an entire discussion to it.

    You want pot legalized because you want all drugs legalized? Fine, great, but let's keep this about pot and no go off on all those other drugs.

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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What in the **** is your problem? YOU were the one who mentioned meth, I just responded to it! If you didn't want to talk about it anymore, you could have just not responded instead of being a douchebag. Get a ****ing grip.
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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    No, I intended to put those "hard drug" concerns at ease by pointing out that removing the penalties for hard drug use does not constitute the extreme, drastic, and unacceptable scenario that people generally make it out to be. All available data shows with little doubt that hard drug use would not increase if the hard drug laws are repealed (subsequent to repealing the marijuana laws). This means that, of all the problems associated with hard drug use that people are rightfully concerned about, not one of them would become any worse if the laws were repealed, because not one of them is even partially solved by the drug laws in the first place.
    I'll tell you why you're not making a connection.

    When I walk out the door, I personally have to deal with this meth problem in my city. While the laws in place are largely ineffective, they are at least something. You're not telling me how repealing those laws will reduce the problem. You are not presenting an existing and proven program in the same breath you want hard-drugs legalized.

    All I hear from you is 'remove what little legal protection you have so everyone can get addicted'.

    Um...no...I'm not for that.

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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    What blows me away the most, is how anyone that supports government healthcare can support the legalization of hard drugs. Proponents of legal weed have at least have a very minute argument.
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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What blows me away the most, is how anyone that supports government healthcare can support the legalization of hard drugs. Proponents of legal weed have at least have a very minute argument.
    That's an extraordinary point I hadn't realized before...and hey, guess what, since Obama is instituting a tax payer funded health-care program while outlawing private health-care, all sorts of issue are now going to become 'my business'; like tax payer funded abortion and health costs of gay couples.

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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'll tell you why you're not making a connection.

    When I walk out the door, I personally have to deal with this meth problem in my city. While the laws in place are largely ineffective, they are at least something.
    What, exactly, do these laws help accomplish then? I mean, you readily admit there is a meth problem in your city, yet meth is criminalized to a greater extent than most drugs.

    You're not telling me how repealing those laws will reduce the problem.
    No, we're telling you how repealing those laws won't make anything worse.

    You are not presenting an existing and proven program in the same breath you want hard-drugs legalized.
    Take money saved from prosecuting the war on drugs along with tax revenue accrued from their usage in order to increase police funding and make infrastructural improvements in impoverished and underdeveloped areas in America.

    The former will decrease the risk of people being the victim of crime while the latter will facilitate economic growth, thus decreasing poverty, thus decreasing the likelihood of drug abuse across wide swaths of American demographics.

    All I hear from you is 'remove what little legal protection you have so everyone can get addicted'.
    You don't have legal protection? Did they stop charging people with crimes or something?

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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    You are not presenting an existing and proven program in the same breath you want hard-drugs legalized.
    Oh, I forgot, the removal of black market incentives from society will eliminate the primary revenue source for violent street gangs and criminal organizations, subsequently eliminating them along with the most provocative career choice for young black males in urban areas not yet in a gang, thus decreasing crime in urban areas, thus increasing the economic potential and viability of such areas, thus decreasing poverty in such areas, thus decreasing the likelihood of drug abuse in such areas, thus resulting in a further drop in crime in such areas, thus further increasing the economic potential and viability of such areas, thus...

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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    There's a significant difference between briefly mentioning something is passing and devoting an entire discussion to it.

    You want pot legalized because you want all drugs legalized? Fine, great, but let's keep this about pot and no go off on all those other drugs.
    I didn't devote an entire discussion to it. I made ONE two-sentence comment that said I think even drugs like meth should be legal, albeit in a more controlled setting than would be necessary for pot (in response to YOUR post about meth). YOU then made a big deal out of it and jumped down my throat.

    If anyone has devoted an entire discussion to the subject, it is you. You've spent a lot more time and energy criticizing me for responding to your meth comment, than I did in actually MAKING said comment.
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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What blows me away the most, is how anyone that supports government healthcare can support the legalization of hard drugs. Proponents of legal weed have at least have a very minute argument.
    Only if you accept the premise that legalized drugs = more sickness/death related to drugs, AND if you believe that there are no sociological/economic/legal benefits that could outweigh any possible health costs. I don't accept either of those premises.
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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    What, exactly, do these laws help accomplish then?
    They do give officers a tool to get people off the street at times.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    No, we're telling you how repealing those laws won't make anything worse.
    'Support this because it's benign and won't do a single thing.'

    Yeah, well, if it won't change anything, then leaving it in place is just as effective and I don't have to give money to anyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Take money saved from prosecuting the war on drugs along with tax revenue accrued from their usage in order to increase police funding and make infrastructural improvements in impoverished and underdeveloped areas in America.
    That's not a proven system, that's political mantra from some random stranger online.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You don't have legal protection? Did they stop charging people with crimes or something?
    SO you admit that I do currently have some level of legal protection. Good. I reject the idea that I should surrender what little protection exists even more.

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