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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You vote to elect people to express your authority, so where does your authority come from that you pass on to your representative to control the lives of others?
    I don't have any authority. The gov't does. This isn't like the law of thermodynamics where authority can't be destroyed or created but only passed on . The authority of the gov't comes from the totality of people who support it. It grants the government power and with that power is the authority to impose its will.

    So, since the government isn't an entity but a collection of persons who make decisions, from where do these persons derive their authority to control your life, and the lives of people you want controlled?
    individual usually citizens can't control others. (Exceptions to the president and other high level gov't officials)

    But individual citizens support the gov't as a collective which enables the gov't to impose its will.
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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Let's cut to the chase.

    You don't have any authority to regulate the lives of others, except those of your minor children.
    Correct. I have no authority to. BUT, the government does. We can make it so the government has no authority to do these things but so far we have NOT. And its probably for the better.

    The Constitution does not grant the government authority to interdict drugs.

    Period.
    Not explicitly. It doesn't say anything about abortion or murder, or jay walking explicitly either. That doesn't mean the government (fed or state) can't make laws about based on interpretations.

    The only things the gov't can't do are the things that it explicitly says it cannot do. But even these can be overidden E.G. with amendments or new laws.
    Last edited by scourge99; 07-17-09 at 05:43 PM.
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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    That's because the prohibition of hard drugs is equally as unjustified as the prohibition of marijuana or alcohol.
    Hard drug bans are 100% justified due to their addictiveness and destructiveness.

    The legalized pot movement is not attached or related in any way to the Liberal push to legalize hard drugs like meth. You're off topic.

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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Absolutely nothing can be said negative about marijuana, including whatever detrimental things smoking does to lungs, that can't be also said, and usually worse, about alcohol, and it's damage to the liver.
    See you keep saying these things as though I disagree. Will you get to your ****ing point already?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Hmmm....let's see..you're fully supportive of keeping drugs illegal, but you claim you're anti-war on drugs?
    That's right, I can support keeping something illegal without supporting that one specific government program ("War on Drugs") meant to serve that same end.

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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Critical facts are:

    The concept of drug interdiction by massive military and police enforcement has failed, anyone that wants any drug can get it if they have the money.
    That's why I don't support "The War on Drugs", keep going....

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The black market breeds crime.
    We could take that out of context and apply it to anything and it would be true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The fact of attempted interdiction forces the price up.
    ....yeah, hence the crime.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Alclohol is responsible for thousands of deaths each year.
    ....yup.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Marijuana is attributed to practically zero deaths and minimal health issues, and as far as I'm aware, since I don't use the stuff, it doesn't leave you a hangover in the morning.
    Right, exactly, sounds like we're voting the same way on this issue....so.....what's your point?

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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well, I think hard drugs SHOULD be legalized.
    That's nice, go start a thread on it. Right now you are no better than those who keep bringing up Bush in threads about Obama, or pedophilia in threads about gay-marriage. Quit trying to hijack this thread with conversations about hard drugs.
    Last edited by Jerry; 07-17-09 at 06:13 PM.

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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    Marijuana is killing our children and giving feminists power. It is also financing communism and killing our freedom.

    Vote Reagan!
    Reagan is dead.

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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    The gays did it. Those bastards.
    www.thecaffeinemachine.com - looking for main-page political writers, so if anyone is interested send a PM (apologies if that violates any rules)

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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Correct. I have no authority to. BUT, the government does.
    Cite the Constitutional clause.


    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Not explicitly. It doesn't say anything about abortion or murder, or jay walking explicitly either.
    Murder violates the right of another to live. Protection of the innocent is the primary reason people create governments.

    Abortion is murder.

    Jay walking is illegal because the damn fool doing it can cause accidents and thereby harm others.

    Notice they don't outlaw walking, only walking while under the influence of Jay.

    Drug use in and of itself does not harm others, only the user. Operating a motor vehicle under the influence, that's against the law because the damn fool can harm others.

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    That doesn't mean the government (fed or state) can't make laws about based on interpretations.
    Sure, that's true. The Constitution exists solely to grant politicians blank checks to do whatever they feel like doing at anytime.

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    The only things the gov't can't do are the things that it explicitly says it cannot do. But even these can be overidden E.G. with amendments or new laws.
    Wrong.

    What the federal government cannot do is things it's not explicitly authorized to do.

    Speaking of Amendments, go back and read numbers Nine and Ten.

    Then cite the Amendment that authorized the FDA. (Hint: it doesn't exist, the Amendment, not the FDA)

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    Re: Calif tax officials: Legal pot would rake in $1.4B

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Reagan is dead.
    I think a dead guy in the White House would be far less harmful to the country right now. Let's just dig up Reagan's coffin and put it on the desk in the Oval Office.

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